Season 4 Episode 19: Chuck Vs The Muuurder

[myasset]

You know that this episode also made it pretty unlikely that there will be any redemption for Vivian. She tried to kill Chuck( One of the people who was nice to her, yes she was lied to from him but he helped her). And she was willing to let Sarah and everyone else in Castle be killed too. If that is not the purest  form of evil I don't know what is.

[Aces]

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I just wonder are they drinking milk in the living room?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was my 1st time to see them 3 together after a long day of mission (should I call it a mission)?. Usually it is only Chuck and Sarah.

Milk (three glasses) and Nestle Tollhouse Cookies… and I think you are correct. I don't recall a scene of all three together after a mission in a nonbusiness mode being shown in a prior episode.

[Runaway_Slade]

You know that this episode also made it pretty unlikely that there will be any redemption for Vivian. She tried to kill Chuck( One of the people who was nice to her, yes she was lied to from him but he helped her). And she was willing to let Sarah and everyone else in Castle be killed too. If that is not the purest  form of evil I don't know what is.

There is actually one way--Riley used Vivian's account to wire the money to take care of Chuck and Vivian has no idea what's going on. It's a long-shot, I know, but still.

[Scarlet Spider]

What I didn't like:
Sarah wasn't used enough. I understand that she can't be the star of every episode. But I missed some elements about her in the last couple of episodes, Mainly her kickassness. And since she didn't have much dialogue either in this episode, I missed her.

Very true.  Though, with the exception of a few notable episodes this year, that's been an issue all season sadly.

Interesting that you found it so predictable that Damian was the killer. We had a poll in the live chat, and there were a LOT of people there. Everyone was amused after the reveal that not one person had chosen him as the killer. Not one. 

That's surprising.  Before the first explosion, I can understand there being some doubt.  But the idea of the victim-who-survives actually being the culprit is a pretty tried and tested formula.

[Scarlet Spider]

There is actually one way--Riley used Vivian's account to wire the money to take care of Chuck and Vivian has no idea what's going on. It's a long-shot, I know, but still.

I don't think it's that much of a long shot.  It'll be pretty lazy writing if, after all the build of Vivian's original story, she's suddenly turned into someone willing to kill Chuck out of some sense of revenge for a father she never really knew.  Yeah, she felt betrayed by Chuck after the bank job and could well be being manipulated by lawyer bloke, but I'd still find it a stretch if she's now just a generic 'nemesis'.

[Rob.M]

I've only had the chance to watch this episode through once as of this post, but my first impression after last night's viewing is that I really enjoyed it. It was a bottled episode, as has been pointed out by others but I really liked what they were able to accomplish within limited confines and how it all played out.

Sure there were perhaps some faults with the way in which Chuck took control of the program but in the grand scope of things they/he stayed true to the manerisms and nuances established over the past 72 episodes. It was particularly amusing how enthralled Chuck was by his doppelganger Brody; muuurder victim #1. To which the overarching murder myster homage was well played and just divergent enough to keep things interesting while also moving the story forward.

Sarah was a bit underused, but her interaction with the Josie was perfect. I loved their standoffishness with each other and Sarah calling her out for her emotions being a contrived device for manipulation, only for Chuck to later illustrate there validity...well played and fun to watch.

The Damien bit was enjoyable and I kept asking myself if there was some way it could indeed be him but I'll admit to being ultimately duped into thinking it was Lewis. Chuck's deduction of the guilty party was brilliantly done as was his redemtion and resolution with director Bentley...Chuck just can't seem to help but keep bringing people over to this side.

Kevin Bacon was adorable and I would have been good if that was the extent of the Buy More plot this episode...the whole BM thing while funny seemed too protracted though I do love how this show works in overt product placement while still having fun with it. Big Mike was great and as has been said previously, agregiously underused this season. Perhaps a little less Jeff and Lester, and more Big Mike; save Krinsky and Sahay's screen time to just Jeffster...hmm..maybe not.

The end of course was the best part, Ellie and Awesome being covert with Chuck and Chuck and Awesome being cover with Ellie...it seems the family Bartowski storyline is finally coming full circle and it's going to be awesome no doubt to see Ellie finally not being so ancillary. To which end Orion's laptop initiating a biometric scan and the decrpyting of the Agent X files. .in the words of Mr. Sheen; winning! Can't wait to see where it goes, but I agree with many others in thinking that Agent X is still very much Chuck and this is building towards Ellie and Chuck working together in the family busienss...now if only we could see Chuck start tinkering with electronics like his father.

[Aces]

Here's a big question regarding the scan of Ellie at the end of the episode. Was that part of Orion's programming in action or was Bently remote controlling the laptop? I think the former but because this episode showed she was able to monitor the activity on the laptop (including all I/O), leaves it open for a little bit of interpretation.

[Ilzairspar]

Here's a big question regarding the scan of Ellie at the end of the episode. Was that part of Orion's programming in action or was Bently remote controlling the laptop? I think the former but because this episode showed she was able to monitor the activity on the laptop (including all I/O), leaves it open for a little bit of interpretation.

I think it's Orion's as well.. While it feels weird saying this (as I couldn't stand her) I think Bently's only contribution was giving it to Ellie and putting a camera/bug in to see what type of data she would find.

[Estel]

When you wait more than 3.5 years to make the glaring BM joke, you go all out!!! Also, it's funny that you agree they were snickering like boys when girls wrote the ep!

What's this "BM joke" all about?

[Estel]

And I will say this once again that my favorite BuyMoron is Big Mike. Jeff and Lester I could care less about but I love me some Big Mike. You can tell he is a real comedian as his timing and delivery are just so spot on.

Agreed. Jeffster is kinda played out by now, Big Mike is still funny.

[Ella]

I liked it. It was an OK episode and it had a feeling of the old episodes back in Seasons 2 and 3 when we saw Chuck/Sarah/Casey working together. The non-verbal communication is still there and I loved every moment of the three of them on screen together. They didnīt need to talk, they supported Chuck by just being there. I missed this the whole season.

I am also glad that we saw some of Ellie and Devon again and I really think itīs wonīt be long when Chuck will tell her.
Chuck and Ellie are exactly the same. I never really realized that until today and I think, as someone pointed that out, that Devon is the only person who can see it. He knows both of them, keeps secret of both of them (which has to killing him) and the concerned look he had the whole time meant a thousand words. The little chat between Chuck and Devon, and their uncertain "It is the right thing to do?" looks said it all. They canīt keep up like this. I also like how Devonīs attituted towards Chuck has changed. He doesnīt take him as a "younger brother" anymore but he looks at him as a real, adult person, who, in his book, does a job he doesnīt want to be a part of.

I am glad they put Sarah/Chuck relationship aside this time. It is a team show, not Sarah/Chuck show and I am glad we saw the whole team together and that they finally stopped talking about some relationship problems and just were together.

I am not convinced it was Vivian herself who set this up. It might have been that sneaky lawyer of Volkoffīs. I am glad Chuck didnīt spill the beans to her as he did with her father so she probably doesnīt know about Ellie (if it was her planning to kill Chuck), but if it was that lawyer (forgot his name), then he probably knows - he worked with Vivianīs father after all.

Buy More line was a fun for a change, I was glad to see Big Mike again and Kevin Bacon was cute

And btw., I am almost sure the Agent X is Chuck. Papa B knew that Chuck took a bit of IS into his brain as a child and probably "divided" their roles - Ellie is there to help and protect Chuck, and Chuck is there to use it. And both Bartowskis are extremely intelligent and kids of his father. I wouldnīt be surprised if they started to make their own cave as Papa B did in the future

I am glad there are still 5 episodes left, so they can properly close this storyline. But the breaks between episodes canīt be good for ratings

[Estel]

I don't think it's that much of a long shot.  It'll be pretty lazy writing if, after all the build of Vivian's original story, she's suddenly turned into someone willing to kill Chuck out of some sense of revenge for a father she never really knew.  Yeah, she felt betrayed by Chuck after the bank job and could well be being manipulated by lawyer bloke, but I'd still find it a stretch if she's now just a generic 'nemesis'.

I agree. It's like wanting to kill someone because he stole your bubblegum. Well, okay, I'm exaggerating a bit but still, even if Chuck had been manipulating her, all he did was not following through with his word so she didn't get to see a father who seemingly never cared for her that much and was a criminal/murderer.

[Estel]

Anyone else was like "hey, Bentley, why didn't you just throw the bomb in the intersect room and manually released the door from the outside, it was close enough, you could have reached it with your hand?" Made this whole section fell flat for me because she was acting dumb.

[Ilzairspar]

So just watched the ep again.  anyone else notice Kevin Bacon having a little snack in Castle at the beginning of Beckman's debrief?  He's in the right bottom corner, you can see him eating.

 

[happydayz]

What's this "BM joke" all about?

It's potty humor.