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Comments on: Dalton Does It Better – Episode 4.10: Chuck Vs The Leftovers https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/ The CHUCK archive Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:15:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: The Prisoner https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-27217 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:15:54 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-27217 In reply to Merve.

You know, I had been having a problem with the show for some reason and I think you hit the nail on the head. It is trying to be all things to all people and it is starting to become a bore. They don’t know what they want Chuck to be. This season has been horrible, last season was bad except the two episodes where Chuck and Sarah finally ‘find’ each other. The first two seasons had an urgency to them, that the last two seasons have destroyed. And its all because we don’t know what Chuck is or is supposed to be. Great comment, let’s get our show back. Kill Morgan!

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By: Doc https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-27162 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:44:29 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-27162 In reply to joy.

Why does Chuck need the big stars anyway? I don’t tune in to see what Stone Cold or Freddie Krugger are going to do. I want to watch Chuck be the hero and see how his character grows. Sometimes I think the writers are writing shows to fit in a theme like Die Hard or a guest star and are not focused on the important story of Chuck. I think the story of Chuck is strong enough to stand on its own without a guest star or themed show crutch.

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By: Stephen https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-27036 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:49:56 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-27036 I thought the episode was an average one botgh for the series but maybe a bit below average for this season as we have had some great epiosdes this year.
I think it is interesting with observations that Chuck has regressed somehow as he is not being more of a spy when the hole premise is that he is a normal guy, he has emotions, he has family connections, trusts people, and he will not kill unless he needs to to protect the people he loves. These are the things that made not only Sarah fall in love with him its what makes us the fans love him.
It would have been sensible maybe to train him to be a spy without the intersect but all the training was to help him use the intersect and how would they have been able to stop him flashing while training when he did have the intersect? This coupled with the fact that it would take appr 3 yers to get him to spy standard so that was not going to be an option he had to get the intersect back.
I find it strange that few people have mentioned that this is the first villan that knows all about Chuck and his family he know about mum, ellie, Devon and all about his relationship with Sarah so and what impact that has for the future and in S3 when Awesome was threatened Chuck freaked out but now he and Sarah plan a way to get them safely out of the house so he is not the same guy he was in S1 and 2. This surely sets things up fot the future.

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By: Oregonstitch https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-27031 Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:09:01 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-27031 In reply to Donovan.

Right on Donovan, the fact that this was the first episode by a new Chuck writer, directed by Zack and lord knows what else was just too high a hill to climb. It was a total waste of the Volkov story line and Dalton. I got the feeling the writer really had no idea what to do and just had to get a script in. I’m not that worried about Mr. Levi directing, I’m sure they have enough talent in the regular crew to make a airable product. But if he hadn’t been cast as the male lead does Zack really think he’d be hired to direct? None of this is really helping the show. I fear for the future.

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By: OldDarth https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-26961 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:46:00 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-26961 In reply to Merve.

Totally Merve. S4 lacks a consistent through line. What is the end game this season? Where is Chuck the show heading? Actually where is Chuck the character we originally got behind and cheered on this season?

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By: Merve https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-26956 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 07:38:06 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-26956 In reply to chu54ster.

I was fine with S3. I’m apprehensive about where S4 is heading because S4 hasn’t delivered so far. And I’m not concerned about new writers vs. old writers. What concerns me is that the storyline doesn’t seem to be heading anywhere. Because the plot hasn’t built up to much so far, the show is going to have to introduce a bunch of new stuff to bring the story to a satisfying conclusion.

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By: TiminMN https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-26955 Fri, 10 Dec 2010 06:17:59 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-26955 I like the character development debate that is going on, it is one of the things that makes this show stand apart from the rest. And while it’s obvious we are all interested in Chuck’s journey to figure out what he wants to do with his life (we already know who he wants to spend it with), I’ve always felt Chuck is the character who has changed the least over these first three and a half seasons.

It is Chuck’s handlers, now partners, Sarah and Casey who have went through major changes in how they view the world and interact with others. Chuck still hates guns, still trusts people, and still puts his family and friends ahead of everything else. Compare Season 1 Casey to Casey now, he is a very different person. The change isn’t as drastic with Sarah, but that is because we have seen very little of her pre-Chuck. I hope we can get more back story on her. We got a taste of what she might have been like before she met Chuck in “vs Phase 3”.

I happen to think this idea of making it appear as though Chuck is growing and changing while he actually serves as the catalyst of change for those around him is what the creators (Josh and Chris) had in mind from the start.

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By: chu54ster https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-26949 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:19:13 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-26949 In reply to Merve.

IMO ,as pointed out in 4.01, Chuck wants to know the truth and to understand why Moma B did what she did. He understands her fears about wanting to protect Ellie and him from harm but He still has a lot of questions as to her true agenda as it applies to her mission and Volkoff. As he pointed out in the episode why suppress the intersect just to make him vulnerable to harm ?

taking away the intersect I think showed just how much Chuck became dependent upon it to be a spy and his lack of confidence to still be an effective member of TB without it.

Ellie involvement is going to tied to intersect and ground work is still in place for this to happen (Chuck confessing to Ellie that he back in the spy game during one of his dream sequence in phase 3 and Ellie not wanting Chuck to know about the laptop )

But same time I can understand apprehension that this story will eventually bear fruit. The show and writers let us down last season and with crop of new writers this season work at getting back that trust. Merve you and Lou bring up good points.

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By: Ella https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-26947 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:01:48 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-26947 In reply to louzeyre.

I loved S3 and Chuck´s character development there. I would be happy to see the show to continue in that tone.
I would kick Sarah sometimes for not telling Chuck how she feels, too. They both seem to be really lost this season. All of them do. It turned into “Morgan show” where they try to make Morgan funny, with Casey making noises and with anticlimatic “dramatic” scenes.
Last year, we were actually worried about one of the characters. This year, i wouldn´t believe it in a million years.
I like S4 but it lacks something.

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By: Eowyn https://chucktv.net/2010/12/07/dalton-does-it-better-episode-4-10-chuck-vs-the-leftovers/comment-page-1/#comment-26942 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:39:02 +0000 http://chucktv.net/?p=7925#comment-26942 In reply to panda.

I don’t think Ellie knows about the intersect because in Chuck versus the coup d’ etat she said “We really need you to do some spy stuff now” and not “We really need you to flash now”.

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