The relationship between Chuck and Sarah is complicated, shifting, and often maddening. It is by far the most discussed element of the show on this site, drawing some of the most passionate and eloquent comments as well as some of the must frustrated. For today’s guest article, we actually have articles from two Chuck fans, each arguing a different side of the Charah relationship. Take a look at the point-counterpoint below from Aardvark7734 and Wepdiggy. Where do you fall?
Assassin, Spy, Girlfriend
Why Chuck needs “Charah†to succeed
By Aardvark7734
My first exposure to Chuck came from a TV promo. When I first saw it, I was attracted because of three things: It was a light comedy, it seemed centered around a nerd who was (cough) not completely unlike myself and it promised entertainment in “fish out of water†situations where nerd and spy cultures clashed. So, on the day it debuted, I watched.
But something unexpected happened as I watched the pilot. In the restaurant scene during Chuck and Sarah’s “first date†I realized something special was happening between the two leads. That it was enjoyable watching them banter and flirt awkwardly. That they complemented one another.
By the end of the “beach†scene, I was hooked. Maybe the nerd could get the girl.
As episode after episode rolled out, it became increasingly obvious that the show runners agreed and were letting the romance unfold. And while there were occasional setbacks (Lou, Bryce, Lon Kirk) the season ended with a rooftop scene (‘Chuck vs. the Marlin’) that sent a clear signal they’d eventually find their way to each other. Right?
Then came season two.
With it, a veritable smorgasbord of angsty disruptions and derailments ensued. They broke up, the ex-girlfriend returned, Sarah committed an unconscionable act, James Bond showed up to make Chuck jealous, it went on and on. And just when it seemed as if the pair would finally step over the line into blissful intimacy (‘Chuck vs. the Colonel’) their situation was thrown into doubt in the finale.
So it wasn’t surprising that the fan base reacted with some annoyance and, towards the season’s end, with exasperation. Some of the disaffected voiced the idea that maybe this whole frustrating focus on the Charah ‘will they – won’t they’ question was a waste of time. That the show, full of spy action, comedic high jinks and ‘bromance ‘ would be just fine without it. I have just one thing to say to those people:
Are you out of your frakkin’ minds?
With all due respect to others’ opinions, it’s way too late for that. Chuck’s romantic pursuit of Sarah is now a crucial factor in the show and there’s no going back.
To understand why this romance is fundamental to the core of Chuck and why it must be Sarah, and not a more conventional girl, that eventually wins Chuck’s heart, you need to get beyond the classical appeals of their matchup (fantasy, chemistry, forbidden fruit) and understand who Chuck is and where he is going.
Many people believe that Chuck is the “everyman†in this story, the guy we can all relate to. But he’s actually much more than that. Chuck is an underachieving hero, knocked off the path of greatness by unfortunate events. When fate shows its hand, thrusting him and his loved ones into perilous circumstances, he is forced to become the hero he was meant to be.
Sarah is an intrinsic part of that journey, the scintillating gem in Chuck’s new reality – both fascinating and flawed. And while she initially seems incompatible and unavailable, we find out over time that she’s neither and, incidentally, his savior. How’s that?
In Sarah, Chuck has a woman who sees the man he could be, and pushes him towards that destiny. She’s supportive, compassionate, and shows disappointment only when he fails to have confidence in himself. Other women, even those in his spy life (Jill), want Chuck to embrace ‘normal’, which for Chuck means settling far short of his true potential.
And while Sarah is broken, emotionally stunted, a product of a dysfunctional childhood, it is through redeeming her, transforming her from a cold-hearted assassin to a woman who can love again, that Chuck grows out of his adolescence. In choosing her, he chooses his shiniest future, the one that he’d gotten used to believing he’d never have.
As Chuck says to Sarah in ‘Chuck vs. the Ring’, “Everyone keeps asking me what I’m going to do with my future. And the truth is, I don’t have a clue. All I know is that I want you to be in it…â€
His choice is made. The die is cast. Now it’s up to season three to deliver.
The Hero’s Journey
Why Chuck Doesn’t Need “Charah” to Succeed
by Wepdiggy
I feel I must say this to start: I am not against Chuck and Sarah as a couple. Okay, there it is, shippers, I’m not against you. Well, I’m not totally against you, though I feel that we watch a different show Monday nights on NBC.
The show I watch is about the predestined hero coming to terms with the path that lies before him and learning to balance that new life with the life he already had. It’s about family and friends. It’s ‘spy-fy’ fused with the everyday world.
Chuck is a coming-of-age-story. The kid, from humble beginnings, who finds that he was meant for so much more. He learns to be a hero and saves the world while not losing himself in the process. That’s the story of Chuck.
Notice that nowhere in that brief description did I say anything about the story of Chuck and Sarah which, while a good story, pales in comparison to other parts of the show. Relationships are a key component to Chuck, and I get that, but the singling out of that one particular couple and the ways in which it is done have proved to be, for me, more of a distraction than a benefit to the entertainment value of the show.
There is just too much to be explored within this universe for the creators of the show to continue to suckle at the dry teat that is ‘Charah’. It’s boring at this point, and it has the potential to become unbearable. Either put them together or let them stay separate, but don’t make me watch more indecision.
I, as a viewer, am not interested in seeing two adults pining away for one another like pimply faced teenagers. If I wanted that, I’d watch Gossip Girl. Instead, I watch Chuck in hopes of seeing the interaction of TeamB, fun missions with zany solutions, and Jeffster; but I’m constantly disappointed when I get Chuck and Sarah gazing longingly at one another when the other isn’t looking. In fact, I’m completely convinced that episode 3.07 will be called ‘Chuck vs. The Staring Contest’, and will be 43 minutes of Chuck and Sarah looking at one another. Before you dismiss it, think just how plausible that is.
‘But in Chuck, the nerd gets the girl.’ Okay, I get that premise, but why does ‘the girl’ have to be Sarah? I don’t think it’s vital to any franchise that the lead male ends up with the lead female. Luke didn’t get Leia, nor did Harry get Hermione. There is a precedent for this sort of thing with these heroes. And honestly, if ‘getting’ Sarah means that Chuck has to be either absolutely crushed, humiliated, or even emasculated at least three or four times a season, I’d just as soon he find someone else.
So far, we’ve seen Chuck prepare a romantic evening for him and Sarah only to have her scoff at him; he’s watched her make out with Bryce Larkin in his bedroom; he’s shown up with wine and a flower to be greeted at the door by Bryce; he’s watched Sarah suck face with Cole Barker in the Castle, not to mention the infantilization that happened during the entire Cole Barker situation; and he’s asked Sarah to leave her life to go away with him, only to have her decline and say that she was going back to work with Bryce. Will the humiliation for Chuck ever end? Not if this focus on Charah continues the same way.
Chuck is a hero, and he deserves better. Where’s Lou when you need her?
Aardvark7734 and Wepdiggy are Chuck fans on opposites sides of the Charah spectrum. Their debates about the impact of that relationship are both passionate and respectful, showing just what a complicated show Chuck really is.
This should fuel a lot of posts. For myself, my feelings lie between these two articles. I do agree that at the end of the second season the show has intertwined Chuck and Sarah’s journeys together.
Chuck and Sarah are no longer on solo journeys. They complete each other. Something I wish other people would realize, sit back, and not wail about each new bit of information that is released that is relationship related.
Couldn’t agree more. So long as the writers know this I am fine with them taking a while to get together. I do want to see them working towards each other though. I guess I am only a half shipper as I want them to be together, but worry about the show when they do. Can the other aspects work without the Charah relationship? I don’t know, but I would be much less likely to tolerate Jeffster without Charah. If they get them together too soon I fear we may get more Jeffster.
I agree with your view. Mostly. But I will say this…yes, the show has intertwined Chuck & Sarah’s journeys as of Season 2. But Season 1 and Season 2 also gave us enough of the Smallville-style angst. It’s not needed on the show any longer in my opinion.
Memo to the writers: Everything so far about season 3 sounds potentially awesome. But if you feel you HAVE to have teenage angst crap, take it easy. I for one am tired of it.
You guys are crazy…The major thing that make Chuck Chuck as we know is because of Sarah. It is untouchable, Chuck have to be in love with Sarah for the rest of the show. It is not for nothing that we always read romance in Chucks’ plot. I can’t believe that theirs people who don’t like this part of the show.
And I certainly think like my buddy Robert H that Chuck will lose its if we don’t see Chuck and Sarah run on after the other!
Anyway great topic and it nice to see different opinion (even if i get mad ahhah)Thx all!
I hate to be a lame duck, but I just enjoy the roller coaster wherever it takes me, and don’t try to engineer the turns ahead of me.
I love the idea of Chuck and Sarah together, but I also believe that the show would lose an important element if they did. I have seen other shows (like Lois & Clark) go down that road with terrible results — not just that they were canceled, but long before that, they lost their viewers because the magic left when the romantic tension was lost.
My two bits…
– G
I agree completely, Gray. I’m still traumatized from Moonlighting, and how flat and stale that show became once David and Maddie got together. 😉 I think Chuck and Sarah are probably good for each other, but I’m content to watch how it unfolds. Neither Chuck nor Sarah are *normal* people; why would we expect the path of their relationship to be normal!?
I trust the writers and showrunners. They know what they’re doing and so far I love it.
I worry about the longevity of “Chuck” because of the acting chops of Yvonne Strahovski. Any Charah fan (and I believe that is the great majority of the fan base) that saw her reaction to Chuck’s speech in Chuck vs. the Breakup, now find it unfathomable that these two characters should love anyone else. The writers are going to have to either earn their money and put these two together and somehow keep it exciting or else spend the next few years (hopefully!) keeping Chuck and Sarah “virgins” or there will be a HUGE fan backlash. Maybe the Olympics will give us 5 million extra viewers that are not so set in their Chuck/Sarah ways. If not I think Chuck has a BIG creative problem.
I’d go with the first option, the problem is I’m not sure they can…but even if they do(and I really,really,really hope so), S&F won’t let them…cause that is just not the show they want to make, up until the ratings and fan reaction will convince them otherwise.
First, to both authors, thanks for sharing your views. I must say that I agree with Lou and his comments above. The fact that the two are intertwined leads many of us to cheer them on and want them to move forward, together. Trust was a key theme of S2 and could continue as they face challenges in and out of work. No one is advocating a fairytale ending with them running off to elope or anything. I just want to watch that journey with them together. The love polygon is such an afront to that concept-that we’ve watched our heroes fight to establish a real relationship, to go AWOL together, essentially committing treason, and suddenly they see the next hot male/female and that goes out the window? Out of character for both, imho.
I sgree and disagree with these comments. I personally agree that there is more to this show than Chuck and Sarah. I fell in love with it for its heart, humor, and action aas well as every other as[ect of the show. The chemistry is just an added bonus.
However, I also don’t want these eating each others faces, but I do want to see them happy. The only reason I dont’t like all the love trianlges is that they make the characters unhappy, and take the joy, the light humor from the show. thank god that Buy More was there to bring us back. 🙂
Another thing about the trianlges is that are unrealistic. In real life, if u loved somone u wouldn’t run into the arms of the first woman or man u see. I could see them possibly every now and than making each other jelous just for fun but thats it.
I dont want humilation, I want happiness. I also agree that it is way out of charcter for the both of them. Another point I must make is that yes this shows heart is based around RELATIONSHIPS, more than one relationship. chara of course being the most important, but then we have Ellie/Awesome, Anna/Morgan,
hey the thing cut me off o well. Anyway dont freak out about them people. It drives me crazy. just relax and enjoy the ride.
i understand your view wepdiggy, but in the end sarah want to stay with chuck and not working again with bryce. another thing you said was that the lead male and female role shouldn’t come together but come one what would be friends without this big finale of ross and rachel? or would be scrubs really be finish (okay obviously it’s isn’t finish yet) if jd and elliot didn’t get back together? this rollercoaster of feelings make a series or a movie to this big adventure we all wanna have. some series and movies didn’t need a couple but they all need this feelings. if it’s love, bromance or fellowship you need this things every big story has one of this constituent. so i hope this charah thing goes one even it’s a little much but this series need it otherwise it wouldn’t be so awesome…
I think I’m an “in-between-er” as well. While I enjoy the romantic dancing going on between Chuck and Sarah, I don’t think that the show is just about that and was never meant to be.
For my part, I enjoy the whole nerd-inadvertently-becomes-bumbling-spy story. I could easily see Chuck becoming today’s ‘Maxwell Smart’ and Sarah, his ‘Agent 99’, and I would be happy with that. Could Chuck survive without Sarah? Yes, I think so, but Sarah certainly makes him more interesting as he deals with a romantic problem on top of all the dangerous situations he gets involved in. But I don’t think the show needs for them to get together once and for all to continue to be interesting.
My opinion, for what it’s worth. 😉
I do think Chuck and Sarah distract the main plot. Would I love to see them together like Jim and Pam on THE OFFICE? Hell yeah. But if that is not where it is going, split them up already. End it for good. At least then we can get back to the real show.
Granted, the show runners have their own plans… and they surf that line in season 3.
I agree with everything Aardvark says, which comes as no surprise to me. I do have to agree with Wepdiggy’s comment about Gossip Girl though…to me that’s what the continual love triangles/other geometric shapes becomes, and that is far removed from anything I care to see. What I liked about Chuck from the beginning was that it was unlike anything else on tv. Keeping up the tension is perfectably acceptable to me, just prefer it not be in the tired old formula of triangles, and I have faith in the Chuck writers abilities to deliver something newer and fresher than that. Lou’s comment suggesting that their two journeys are intertwined is my feeling also…as Sarah once said to Chuck “We’re better as a team”. We’ve seen that point proven time and again.
I just don’t get one thing. Why do people that are ‘tired’ of Charah always criticizing Sarah? Are we watching the same show?
I’m sorry. I.. won’t even care. I have my formed opinion and some agree, some disagree. Completely understand.
Sara,
I know exactly what you are saying. Chuck is the one that dumps Sarah, and she is trying to do her job correctly and protect Chuck. It is tough for both of them but Sarah bears the brunt of bad stuff, everybody dumps on her from Casey to Beckman to Chuck to some of the fans for trying to walk a tightrope and do her job and deal with her LOVE of Chuckles and her DUTY to the country at the same time.
Another in-between-er here. One reason I’d like to see them together is that Zach & Yvonne have such good chemistry together it seems like a waste not to build on that. But I have to say, that same chemistry also makes the “breakups” and setbacks all that more poignant for me. But I’d be perfectly happy to see them just as close, trusted friends/partners than as couple.
Have to say that this ongoing back-and-forth is healthy for the show. That is until it dissolves into threats of walking away from it altogether….
That being said, I think that just as much as the show is about Chuck and his hero’s journey it is also about the people that are along with him on this journey. And Sarah is very much a part of that. Without her, he’s the guy that sits in a tank and stares a four blank walls. Her underlying belief in him kept him out of the bunker in the first season, hardened his resolve to move forward in season two and brings us to where season three is about to kick off – re-Intersected.
On the other hand, Sarah is on her own hero’s journey and Chuck is a very big part of that. She goes from hard-nosed spy to someone who cares about things other than the greater good, to someone rediscovering her humanity, from someone who trusts no one to ultimately putting all that trust in Chuck.
Okay so putting them romantically together makes a lot of Chuck fans happy but that is the cheaper payoff. Its entirely more gratifying to see them on their hero’s journeys – whether they end up together as a couple or not. Because those two are inevitably linked, each a part of the other’s hero’s journey. So if we all sit back and give the show the chance to let this all unravel, it’ll be satisfying all the same. The bigger payoff is in the journey not the destination. And if in the ultimate episode we end up with Chuck and Sarah riding off into the sunset then it’ll be even better having seen all the things they went through on the way there. And if they don’t have that happily ever after, we’ll have been along one of the better roller coaster rides nonetheless and our hearts will be a bit bigger to accommodate the non-realization of that idea.
Well imo Charah is an in important facet for the show, but there’s so much more than that. There’s Casey, which i consider the glue of the team, he’s essential for everything, especially for Chuck and Sarah ; there’s the buymore shenanigans, even though last season was a bit lame and not as good as first season, but hey, give us more Jeffster!!! ; there’s Ellie, the big motherly sister that will goto exceptional lenghts to make sure Chuck is happy, and we need some more Ellie and Sarah bonding ; there’s the perennial obstacle that is General Beckman, the authoritative figure that keep Chuck and Sarah on thier toes, but even for how stern she is, i’m pretty sure she will comply at the end 😛 ; the missions, hey, those are always fun, see our heroes go whatever it takes to finish the job ; the mythology behind the main characters, their history, why they become the person they are now, I want to know about Chuck’s mom, Casey’s history, Sarah’s mom, and more! The love interests imo are just that. Sarah and Chuck need to grow up, so far we know that they only had 1 relationship, with Bryce and Jill respectively. They need more options, to discover really that at the end their hearts belong to each other, because right now they love each other, it’s right, but imo, they are not IN LOVE with each other, not yet, and the love interests are there to let them explore and try what is out there, until they will know the inevitable truth, that they complete each other.
chuck and sarah relationship cheapens with new love interests and the chemistry between them isn’t attractive anymore.charah was the only reason i watch this show but i don’t want it anymore
So u don’t care about the missions, Casey’s past, Chuck’s dad being Orion, Sarah’s dad, Carina coming back…well i’m sorry u ‘re not gonna watch it anymore, u are goingto lose a spectacular season imo.
I think the Chuck/Sarah relationship is the centerpoint of the show for a reason — you have not one, but two, people who are working toward distant goals that will make them whole people. Chuck’s destiny is to become a superhero without losing the warmth and smarts that made him the human being he is; Sarah’s destiny is to not lose the skills that made her a superior agent while becoming a full-fledged human being with real ties to people she cares about.
I think if the show has done short shrift to any character, it’s Sarah. We’ve gotten bits and pieces to understand what a mess her life has been — all efforts to love have been met with death and abandonment, and she’s somehow managed to keep a good set of values despite the moral ambiguity her job requires. I would like to see more of Sarah wrestling with the choices SHE must make to meet her destiny, and I’m not talking about finally getting together with Chuck for good. She’s a solid professional who, in meeting Chuck, has gotten to see what kind of whole person she could become, and I want to watch her get there.
As a small detail that speaks a little to this point, I always thought it was a brilliant move by the writers that Sarah continues to live in a hotel room. Portability is an obvious part of the spy life, but all this time, one would think Sarah would have settled down for appearances’ sake. I wonder if we’ll see her attempting to lay down some sort of roots in S3 as an indication of how she’s changing?
I agree that Chuck and Sarah complete each other and that’s hopefully what we’ll see by the end of the show, but they need to complete themselves first.
I wasn’t going to chime in on this, but then I read your post Lisa and felt I had to – TO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU!!
I think what is fustrating for “Charah fans” or “shippers” or whatever you want to call them is that they (including me) see a potential for exploring these two very interesting characters in greater depth – and the vehicle with which to do that is their relationship and it’s moving forward. Is it an absolutely necessary part of the show? Maybe not. There are many other interesting aspects to CHUCK – that’s why we love it so much. But the Chuck/Sarah relationship is a key element.
Maybe I’m alone in this, but some of the best moments have been when Chuck and Sarah have gotten to know more about each other – and you could see the effect it had on them. Them each learning about each other’s past with Bryce. Chuck learning about Sarah’s past (at least a litle) in “Cougars.” Sarah learning about Chuck’s relationship with his mother (re: the October Mother’s day). Chuck learning a little more about Sarah through meeting her father and visa versa. Chuck explaining the meaning of his friendship with Morgan and Sarah “getting it.” Chuck giving Sarah the bracelet and explaining it.
All of the many elements of the show are great, but it seems – at least to me – that they revolve around the Chuck and Sarah relationship. It’s just like you said, they are two people who are working toward “completing themselves” and one of the ways that they will accomplish that is by completing each other.
It just seems like the outside love interests (at least the POTENTIAL outside love interests that have been hinted at for S3) just cheapen things. Some have expressed concern that “getting them together” will be the doom of the show, and I understand what they are saying. But I think what MOST “shippers” are saying is that it’s not a matter of them coming together and thus “THE END,” but moving toward it and dealing with all the complications (some of which we’ve seen in S1 and S2) that go with being “who they are and what they do.” THAT can and should remain a part of the storyline and will make for very interesting episodes. The outside love interests just, again, make the whole thing “cheap,” and make the characters seem superficial – which we know, despite their flaws, they are NOT.
I’m not a “shipper” that says get them together “for good” NOW or by the end of this season (hopefully there will be more seasons for that to eventually happen), but have them move forward in a way that continues to tell a great story. Outside love interests/rivals for affection don’t contribute – or at least they have nothing more to contribute after having dealt with them for two seasons. The relationship is (or should be) beyond that point by now.
Anyway, as Dave Mason sang, “There aint no good guys, there aint no bad guys, there’s only you and me and we just disagree.” Whatever we might not agree on, the bottom line is that this show succeeds – and it’s up to us to ensure that it does (and of course NBC, too). I think we can ALL agree on that!
PEACE, ALL – and Happy Labor Day! 🙂
Well said Rick.
One thing is for certain there is something special about Chuck. Otherwise the fans wouldn’t care so much.
While I’m not crazy about the Love geometric shapes continuing, there is so much in this show to like.
Is it March Yet?
Before going into my Chuck and Sarah relationship viewpoint just remember what Chuck told Sarah in the Break Up–he said their relationship could not be long term because he wanted a normal life and she could never be normal–granted he said it to save her life–I am assuming the frequent look on Sarah’s face in various episodes is one of confusion and fear of heart breaking disappointment. I do not see any relief in sight for her until she finds out about the conversations Chuck had with Roan Montgomery, Bryce Larkin and the “I love her” to Chuck’s Dad. I hope this takes place in either episode one or two of season three (one I hope).
The relationship between Sarah and Chuck is by far the most overwhelming scenario of the show. I will not fully enjoy the show until Sarah and Chuck are in a permanent loving relationship. Then they can pursue the evil doers together and the comedy and adventure can accelerate. I think the new, temporary cast members show promise if their parts are well written. No love triangles and I want all of the newcomers to be the bad guy’s, even the guy in the blue pajamas. I think the Sarah and Chuck relationship should be so solid that it will stop the “angst fever”because it will not be a factor. Not all, but most viewers will welcome this redirection of the writer’s energies and we will all be in the position of pulling for all the Chuck characters. I think this will be mandatory for the show to get the support it needs to save the show for a season 4. It is important for all of us to pull together and not be split by something that can be fixed so easily by the writers.
Congratulations on two great articals to both Wepdiggy and Aardvark. You made your points very articulately (I checked, its a real word).
I lie more on the side of Wepdiggy, but Aardvark didn’t get me as annoyed as most shippers do. At least he tries to connect Sarah to Chuck as part of his growth as a human being and a hero. But Wepdiggy is right: Luke and Leia turned out to be brother and sister. Harry and Hermoine just friends.
What other franchise are we missing? Let’s see. Did Frodo get anybody? Did I get Aragorn? Nope. He went off with some stupid elf chick. Oh well.
Peace between the two sides and a wait and see attitude is all one can ask for.
BTW Morgan=Samwise to Chuck’s Frodo? Should’ve put that in the Bromance thread.
Heya,
I’ve gotta be honest, I love how the relationship has been so far.
As a nerd myself (one of the biggest things that originally attracted me to Chuck), I loved the idea of the nerd falling for the “cool girl”, as it were, and vice-versa, but, for many reasons, like Sarah’s inability to be “normal”, Lou, Bryce, Cole, the Intersect itself, they can’t be together.
Some of my favourite episodes are actually when their relationship reaches an obstacle of some kind, like the endings of “Truth”, “Break-Up”, “Lethal Weapon” “Santa Claus” and “Suburbs” (especially those first three), because I just love watching my fellow nerd getting so close to being with her, then getting knocked back (or he knocks her back).
I consider myself a moderate shipper, in the middle to high end of the Charahrama spectrum. I enjoyed reading both takes on the situation, but I must agree with Aardvark more. I think Chuck and Sarah and one of those meant to be couples, and I often think of them as a Peter/MJ type of relationship. Meant to be, but with many obstacles and other relationships along the way.
However, I am still not convinced that Shaw/Hannah will be all that Ausiello and some other fans are making it out to be. We have little to no information to go on, and I still must argue that now that Chuck is in superspy mode, he cant just go out and date a civilian (Hannah). Hes going to have to abide by Sarah rules. Now that doesnt mean he cant develop a crush or feelings for this girl because she may represent the life he really CANT go back to now. That “normal” life that he wanted with Sarah before he re-intersected himself. IMO, I really dont think Chuck is going to want the spy life for very long before he’s longing for his “normal” life again. And as for Shaw…well we can just all go back and remember the insanity before Beefcake aired and then the subsequent non-issue it was because Sarah did nothing.
Do I want Chuck and Sarah to be with other people? No, of course not. But I am going to stop watching an amazing show just because they may be? No. The writers have a plan, and we should respect them enough to realize they are telling the story they want to tell, even if it doesnt follow the formula you think it should. If any of us were writing a story of our own, Im sure we would want the same respect.
OK, here’s my two pence…
As I started to watch Chuck from the pilot on, I thought, there’s a new spy comedy, with a nerd and pretty blond(which I didn’t recognize), let’s give it a
chance(like any typical male), and it took me till the third episode(with strong hints in the pilot and second ep. also) to find out that this show’s heart is the future(then) relationship between Chuck and Sarah, and it just kept on getting stronger in the process.
So I have to say that I completely support Aardie’s post, but I also understand and identify with a very specific notion in Wep’s post and this is the fact that Chuck should not be humiliated,crushed or emasculated anymore, the producers and the writers had done that enough in season 2(and I also share his conclusion on the MI6 arch, actually all shippers and most viewers do), and I understand and agree that the longing should stop, it was done to death in two seasons, it’s time to put them together(not as a married couple eloping, or domestic suburb bliss), as their separation serves no other purpose than the love of angst(which is this creative’s team wrong kind of ‘specialty’), and is stretching the suspension of disbelief to a break(which will occur if the PLI turn LI), much more than the Intersect concept itself.
As wep said, put them together in some capacity and then you can concentrate on the other aspects of the show, or break them up, and at the same time prepare your proverbial will, because you will be thrown down like yesterday’s trash.
and to all the people who claim that putting them together is ending the show, I’ll just say that this constitutes an antiquated form of thinking and this is the reason all your examples come from the 1980’s(moonlighting) or 1990’s(Lois and Clark), today’s situation is different, the audience will cheer for his beloved couple and will keep on following faithfully, as long as the plots are kept interesting…now, are the writers up to that challenge.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure.
grayershadow That was wonderfully put. I agree that even tho the show is called Chuck, that Sarah’s story is just as compelling and important. Seems sorta silly because they’re only TV characters, but I just want them both to find happiness in their lives, whether together as a couple, friends or if it’s better for them to be apart (tho I don’t really see that happening).
While the show is named Chuck – the main story involves both Sarah and Chuck. Can’t have one without the other, else we would be watching a different show. The whole idea that the show can exist without the key relationship between these two knuckleheads is absurd. But if the only thing that one tunes into the show for is to see these two “sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g” then your missing the whole point. Unlike others who say this is distracting to the key plot of the show, I say bring it on – it is a big part of the main plot.
Someone wiser than me said “Love is sharpened in pain.” Or something to that effect. Were it easy for these two than there would be no hero’s journey for both. They are painfully and slowly evolving in front of us. And that includes their relationship – professionally, platonically and romantically. Chuck would be stuck in the rut he was in and Sarah would have lost herself in the spy world. And yet somehow their paths crossing has thrown them onto a whole new path with a world of inifinite possibilities. They’re realizing they’re more than they thought they were/are. But only through the lens of the other’s presence in their life.
fine, we had them struggling in it for two years, there’s been enough forging and sharpening through pain…time to make the effort they so fought for(Chuck and Sarah) cohesive, and let them be together in some capacity, otherwise the pay-off is too remote to be of any interest IMO.
Why is them being together the only plausible pay-off? That’s my main issue with all this, why is that the only possible ending for these two knuckleheads? They could end up not being together – would that make Chuck any less good? I seriously don’t think so. That relationship is a premise of the show – a big one at that but not a given, cemented conclusion. The ins and outs, ups and downs of Chuck and Sarah make up a big part of the story.
And since when does the audience ever have any huge amount of input into how a story is written. I get that we’re in an interactive world now where we can twitter our thoughts and show writers and runners can take that feedback. It gives the illusion we have input. But really folks, its not our story to tell – we’re the frakking audience. Our job is to watch it not write it. Even now, we’re going to be months behind the creative process by the time the show airs. Heck, by the time the show airs it could be on the rocks at the network (Lord forbid!). Episodes 3.1 and 3.2 must be in the can by now so any “explosions” re: any spoilers would be moot even now.
If they end up together – it’s good. And if they don’t end up together – it’ll be fine as well. They’ll be fine. The world won’t go boom. We the audience as well as the characters will have bigger hearts to accommodate the disappointment of it having gone along for the ride. Just watch without looking for the pay-off, you’ll have more fun that way.
That’s exactly it, I’m not here for the ride(that’s only a bonus if it’s interesting, and even that is a reclusive premise), and you can bet that most of CHUCK audience is at bay regarding that issue.
Most of them won’t accommodate for Chuck and Sarah not being together, because the ride was fun, it’s just not compelling enough as it is…of course the world won’t explode(not because of that anyway…lol), but why bother to see something that makes me angry and resentful if even the pay-off won’t be around ?
And regarding the input of the show, I’ll tell you when does the audience have a say…when he’s the one who BROUGHT THE SHOW BACK…
So, we don’t have to write the show, but we certainly should have a say in what we don’t want to see, and a creative staff that ignores the element who is responsible for him coming back might soon find that the same hand that fed him, can bite him back.
Yes it would make the show less good–I have to agree with Alex–the relationship to me is the number one reason and possibly the only reason I watch the show. Heartache and pain overwhelms comedy and adventure until it is resolved. So writers get the couple together and then lets go after the comedy and adventure. Other longer running shows do it and if the writers are capable at all they can do it with this show.—“the pay off would be too remote to be of interest” this is a great explanation of what can happen to the show –it also can be called apathy–It will kill the show faster than anything else that can happen–pain is not enjoyable so you protect yourself with disinterest.. I really feel this show is doomed without addressing the major issue in a positive manner–none of us really wants that–if we care–which most of us do-FOR NOW.
I believe that the Charah relationship is not so much the centerpoint of “Chuck”, but simply another element of an already fantastic show.
Much like in Pushing Daisies (RIP, Ned the Piemaker 🙁 ), you have two people with one big obstacle to overcome. As with every relationship, there are ups and downs, and without them, the situation becomes unrealistic and stale. Am I saying that I liked every love triangle in the show? Absolutely not. The Cole arc was especially infuriating to me. But without being put in situations that test each character, we cannot expect to discover more about them. It’s very interesting to find out about the pasts, feelings, and heartaches each of the characters have experienced.
The best thing for “Chuck” isn’t necessarily to toss the Charah plotline entirely, but to prevent it from overshadowing the more dominant aspects of the show. What the writers should do is prioritize. It is about time that Charah takes a backseat. There are more important things.
Chucklover20–could not disagree with you more–keep the Sarah/Chuck pain going and you will see apathy set in–Pain and heartache overwhelm comedy and adventure untill it is resolved–It is up to the writer’s to save the show–hopefully it is not a repeat of seasons one and two with new faces—The writers will either save or lose the show–depends on the viewers–let the market dictate it’s success or failure.
I would have to say I’m in between these two nicely written articles. I feel that the show was is not going to live and die by the Chuck and Sarah relationship. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely want them together, but for me I’ll still watch even if they’re not together. The story is about Chuck, who is finding himself, and having to deal with all of these unfortunate events thrown at him. Just my opinion; but I’ll be watching the show no matter what happens between Chuck and Sarah.
I agree and disagree with the two articles. I agree that there is more to ‘Chuck’ than Chuck and Sarah. I fell in love with show for its heart, light humor, action, funny nerd refrences, and every single that makes the show. The chemistry is just an added bonus. The relationships (theres more than one, not just CHARA) are a big part and make up a lot of the show. It develops the characters and makes the storyline for real and believable which allows to relate and feel for the characters. The real reason we want them together is what Rick Holy said in another post, we want to see them ‘happy.’ I personally do not want to be all mushy and eating each others faces every fives seconds (i’m a tomboy, that kind of stuff freaks me out), we want them to be real. Though we dont’t just want chuck and sarah to be happy, we want every body else to be happy as well. Even casey or should I say sugar bear. 😉
What we dont want to see is them running into someelses arms. That would not happen in real life, and based on Chuck and Sarahs character, thats not something I could see them doing in real life. The only way i can see them doing this is to make the other jelous because there pissed off at them or something.
Chuck and Sarah do not fuel the show. They help, but the action and humor are what got my attention. I been a huge Charah fan but it took me to the second season to really get me to want to see them together. Mainly because of all the annoying triangles.
Though as annoying as they may be, I kind of like it. It keeps us guessing. So dont freak out about them. Enjoy the ride for they’ll eventually get together. 🙂
Delighted with so many posts listing the relationship as one element of the show and not THE element. Awesome! 8)
While I think it’s not the only element of the show, it’s certainly THE main element of the show, and the thread here doesn’t really represent the cross-section of CHUCK viewers, and the descending ratings to come in-case of disregarding Charah will prove that faithfully, and for good reasons because this is what makes me(and a lot of others) invested in the show, I can find better action in 24, better comedy in SEINFELD and FRIENDS re-runs and better drama in LOST, the combination of all of them as wraparound to Chuck and Sarah is the element that creates the distinction(sure,the good chemistry between Zach and amazing Yvonne is helpful…lol)from all the other TV shows…steeping away from that will only bring the Series to its end.
While I think it’s not the only element of the show, it’s certainly THE main element of the show, and the thread here doesn’t really represent the cross-section of CHUCK viewers, and the descending ratings to come in-case of disregarding Charah will prove that faithfully, and for good reasons because this is what makes me(and a lot of others) invested in the show, I can find better action in 24, better comedy in SEINFELD and FRIENDS re-runs and better drama in LOST, the combination of all of them as wraparound to Chuck and Sarah is the element that creates the distinction(sure,the good chemistry between Zach and amazing Yvonne is helpful…lol)from all the other TV shows…stepping away from that will only bring the Series to its end.
sorry for the double post, fire-fox mishap.
I agree with Aardvark, i’m a chuck fan. 🙂
But Wepdiggy has a point too: “Either put them together or let them stay separate, but don’t make me watch more indecision.”
I think that Chuck needs Sarah if he’s going to become the hero we all want.
All the heroes you people relate to have their own sidekick, Luke has Han Solo, Harry Potter has Ron or prof. Dumbledore, Frodo has the other guy and CHUCK HAS SARAH. Why can’t they go on missions as a couple? Why is that so bad?
They make a good team together. Without Charah there’s not any Chuck superhero.
Maybe they brought Shaw to teach Chuck but all he needs is Sarah and eventually he realize that and they go on missions as a couple.
due to new love interests,i don’t care charah anymore because i will stop watching.
UR loss man. Ur loss.
with new spoilers,i start thinking to quit.writers treat chuckk and sarah relationship like soap opera.
Thats what they want you to do. They want to give this kind of stuff to drive you crazy. Just relax. They said a lot of the same stuff last season and last season was the best sason yet. It was simply….AWESOME!!! 😉
I think S1 was better.
Dean and Petra. Good to see people make a stand. Too bad you will miss the best season yet though.
I agree, I must say I am a little aprehensive about what the spoilers are saying, but I know how much I enjoyed S1 and S2, so I intend to watch. If after a few episodes in S3 I find I don’t like the show anymore well I can turn the TV off then. But I have a feeling it is still going to be awesome in spite of the love geometric shapes. I am especially looking forward to the Angie Harmon episode.
I agree. Don’t stop watching. All this could just be a way of keeping the fan talk about the show alive. WATCH THE SHOW at least for the first 3 or 4 episodes of S3 (and hopefully for ALL of S3) and then decide.
Hey, everybody makes mistakes. If it does turn out that the creators/writers have made some mistakes, it only means they’re humans. And even though they’re “TV people,” the need and deserve forgiveness, too!! 😉 😉
So don’t give up on CHUCK!!! They’re may be some things being hinted at that we don’t like, but the proof will be in the pudding when the new episodes start coming out in March. For now “keep hope alive” and “have a little faith” in the writers that they will pull through for the show and for all of us who love it so much.
I agree as well. There just saying all this stuff to get us all fired up. Though in my opinion it just pissing people off but oh well. Al the spoilers get me fired up and keep me guessing so please dont stop watching such and AWESOME show. I along with millions of other Chuck fans would like to have 4, 5 and more seasons. Heck I take one more season if that means we can Chuck come to a conclusion. If this show ends with a to be contiuned….hello straight jacket. So please, dont stop watching people. I’ll give u a cookie if u dont. Have faith in the writers. This is the one show I can enjoy with my family. Please dont ruin it.
Okay. I’d like to point out that no one’s talking about anything but *potential* new love interests. For Chuck and Sarah (and for us out here in the real world sometimes!) being attracted to and tempted by someone new only makes them realize how right they are for each other, and causes them to choose each other all over again.
This is why I don’t get why so many people hate Cole, or think those two episodes were degrading to Chuck. Even though Cole was tempting, except for that one kiss (and hey, Sarah’s human and Chuck had just broken up with her, so she wasn’t even cheating on her fake relationship) Sarah consistently and firmly told Cole that she wasn’t interested in what he offered. Sarah knew that Cole offered the kind of relationship she’d already had with Bryce: exciting, sure, but ultimately lacking in depth because of the nature of their jobs. She’d spent enough time around Chuck and his family and friends at that point to know what she’d be missing out on if she said ‘yes’ to Cole. She knew that the superficial life of a spy, where no one would know anything more about her than her latest cover name and occupation, wasn’t what she wanted anymore. Meeting Cole and being tempted by him only made that clearer to her.
So as far as I’m concerned, new potential love interests aren’t necessarily a bad thing. They could, depending on how the writers use them, only serve to further Chuck & Sarah’s relationship.
I’ve got to say Bethany, you read my mind. I don’t know how many times I’ve repeated that very thing over and over on the shoutbox at Zach’s fansite but people just keep going back to Cole. She very clearly chose Chuck over Cole because of her feelings for him. Bryce is a completely different matter. He was Sarah’s partner first, but she still chose Chuck over him in the last episode.
Cole had a bad underbite. Did anyone else notice that? Than again, he did have a great body. 😉 Though I’ll take Chuck over him any day.
The point is Bethany, they have already done this, and not very good…
and the problem with the Cole arc(which personally I respect…Cole himself, I mean) was that Chuck was humiliated on every turn, treated like a little child and has been portrayed as a whining little snot, and he’s not that…he has a lot more than this, and his character has much more depth and those two episodes only served to belittle his image.
Besides, Chuck may have broke up again with Sarah(which I didn’t approve), but
hey after “The Suburbs” heart-break…who could blame him.
I feel as if the use of LI is a cheap substitute for creative writing(providing they are actually a real love interests, and not a twist…of which I’m still not convinced fully),thus making the separation artificial, yet again.
I think you’re wrong there Alex. Cole, like Roan near the end of his episode, treated Chuck better than Sarah or Casey. He gave Chuck a gun and didn’t question his ability to get his partners out of danger. He also gave him faith in his future, the removal of the intersect, which left Chuck with the courage to give Sarah that wonderful speech at the end. I think Cole made Chuck grow up more than infantilize him.
I didn’t like Cole but what I did like is what Eowyn said. He treated Chuck better than everyone else and even gave him a gun.
that’s why I said that I personally respected Cole(much more than Bryce, to be honest…although O don’t hate Bryce per se), he treated Chuck quite all right, most of the time and even asked him before he tried to “Butter that Muffin”(as he so eloquently put it), my problem is with the episodes themselves and Chuck’s depiction within them…after all the progress he made in Best Friend and Suburbs, the MI6 arc dwarfed him again to a whiny, Immature child instead of a man, and practically humiliated him. Check out all the Chuck forums where they are, and most of the viewers will tell you that the writing in BC and LW was one of the worst in S2, without getting into they love or hate Cole(and I think, there’s no reason to hate him).but I understand why some people dislike him…after all Roan was not a threat to Charah, Cole was.
Cole and Roan for that matter treated Chuck far better and with respect than Sarah and Casey did. So much that Cole questioned them(? – don’t remember that part all that well) or just Sarah on why she (they?) treated him badly.
I enjoyed reading both Wepdiggy’s and Aardvarks7734’s articles. Great job, guys!
Basically, let’s either get Charah together or spilt them apart. I want to see them together, but, if they are going to keep going back and forth for the rest of the series (however long that may be) I think that could get pretty boring to watch.
I can’t wait to see what we get in S3.
Personally, if Chuck lost Charah, it’d be a lot harder for me to watch, simply because I love them as a couple. So, I think that Chuck does need Charah to survive. I mean, look at how the shippers react at the spoilers we’ve gotten so far that haven’t been exactly promising fluffy Charah. IMO, yes; the show Chuck needs Charah to survive.
Anyways, my two cents lol.
Rick Holy, your first post has really gone a long way in helping me to clarify my “Charah Hypothesis”. I’ve really struggled trying to figure out why there is such a severe backlash about the supposed lack of Charah in the show, mostly because I can’t seem to get a handle on what exactly the prevailing definition of “Charah” is.
The Charah you (and some others here) posit is much more to my liking: a mature relationship where they can help each other grow in the areas each needs most.
So what I’m thinking now is that backlash Charah is narrowly defined by its outward signals, i.e., kissing and whatnot, and if those things aren’t occurring (especially the “whatnot”) then the fans aren’t getting the kind of Charah they want.
I say a mature relationship is much more than this and the small interactions are just as satisfying — including Chuck’s dissatisfaction with Sarah’s non-responsive responses and Sarah’s looking for her jollies where her job permits her — as any verbal avowal or make-out sessions. So now I’m looking forward for Season 3 to seeing their interactions as agents, mentor and student, intelligent nerd and open-minded, intelligent woman.
Oh, and I’m definitely not against some kissy-face. Only please make it Casey. Thank you. Sincerely, rabid Casey fan.
lol Casey gone all sugar bear. Now that would be interesting. 🙂
Interesting. I personally fall between the two of them although I strongly disagree with wep’s view on Charah. I agree with his assertion that the relationship at times takes away from the rest of the show however it’s one of the central themes of the show since the first episode. To change gears at this late stage is not a smart thing. I also agree with Lou that their journey is together and not apart.
I also believe that instead of this caption in the article “Is Sarah Chuck’s savior?” it should read “Is Chuck Sarah’s savior?”. Think about it – who has made the most personal growth since the show started? If you say Chuck…. yes…… but Sarah is the one that has grown the most. The person she started out as is different from the Sarah of the Ring and Chuck is basically the same.
Great observation! In the end, they’ll save each other. The line in “The Ring” that Sarah didn’t get a chance to finish telling Chuck (because she was interrupted by Daddy Bartowski), I believe would have finished like this:
“Chuck, I don’t want to save the world, I just want to ….
(this is where she gets cut off)….. save YOU!!!” And that’s the point that some of you have made so intuitively in this thread. In the end, they wind up saving each other in the “grand” sense of the word.
These are two such great characters, that’s why the relationship between them is so intriguing. I hope S3 really delves more into them as people who have had and still have issues to overcome – but please, not with the worn out “rivals for affection” method re: S1 & S2. Been there and done that. Time to move forward. I belive the writers have the talent and creativity to do that and continue telling this great story!
Onto S3 – and S4 and S5, too!!!!!
Well written, both of you. Having read your other works, I would have expected nothing less.
Reading through both articles and the numerous replies, a thought occurred to me. Isn’t the fact that we’re even having this debate proof positive of Charah’s importance to the show?
First, in the interest of full disclosure, I should admit that I am a fan of the Charah. Zach and Yvonne have amazing chemistry, and they make me care about Chuck and Sarah. I also believe that Sarah’s journey from cold-blooded spy to human being is just as interesting (if not more so, at times) as Chuck’s journey from Joe to Hero, and I believe that neither will succeed in their journey without the help and support of the other. I also believe that the logical end point of both journeys is with them as a functioning, committed couple.
I should also disclose that Aardie and I agree on almost everything Chuck-related. It’s actually kind of scary sometimes how in-sync we are; he’s my brother from another mother when it comes to the Chuckverse.
Okay, disclosure over. Back to my original point.
Fans can and do argue all day long about Charah’s importance to the show. But if those arguments are couched in terms of character and story, there will never be any resolution, because at the end of the day those arguments are just opinion.
I think that the one fact we can hang our hat on is that no other subject gets the discussion that Charah does. Think about this. Where are the discussions about Bryce’s death? About whether or not the Ring will be a great new adversary? When you get down to it, where is the discussion about almost any other subject? They are practically non-existent, because everyone is discussing Charah.
And if you take away the thing that most fans relate to and talk about, how can the show survive?
Bro! I was going to say that but I ran out of space! 😉
Seriously, though, that’s a powerful point. Thanks for bringing it up.
Great point. Its sad though it all comes down to wether or not they’ll move forward or if the love geometry shapes will come to an end.
WOW, that was simply an AWESOME statement Jester.
All this chatter about the show gives me hope that Chuck will make an amazing comeback. And when it does, more seasons of Chuck will be awaiting it.
How very true CJ…
You say how can the show survive without Charah, i agree with you, but on the other hand, how the show can survive without the rest that makes Chuck the show it is? It’ll become the Chuck and the restless, and i don’t want to see that 😛
I don’t think that anyone wants to see that, even the most ardent Charah shipper. In fact, if you read Wep’s article the way I do, even he is not really anti-Charah; he’s anti-poor execution of Charah. And he has a great point, because when Charah is poorly executed, the show as a whole suffers. I think that this is why so many fans are worried about what they’ve heard about S3 – they’re afraid that we’re going to get more of the Jill/Cole style of Charah, and that would not be a good thing.
Exaclty Jester,
As an ardent shipper I have to side with both. I agree with Aardie that Chara is essential to the show and they are on the journey together. I also agree with Wep that the will they won’t they friends model of Chara needs to be dead and buried.
Chuck fans are ready for a mature couple working on their issues. I certainly don’t want juvenille love trapezoids that dumb down the relationship. How important can they be to each other if they have other love interests.
I say let them have their problems in S3 but have them be mature about it and leave the Cole/Jill stuff behind.
I cannot remember who said (it was on twitter) but they said Chuck and Sarah keep going to other “love interests” because they both feel like they are not good enough for each other. I had never thought of it that way, but its absolutely true.
When Jill came along, Sarah backed away immediately to let him be with her. When Cole came along, Chuck (mistakenly) figured she wanted him because he was everything Bryce was and more, and backed away.
By Ring, I believe they were pretty close to finally accepting they were what each other wanted, but then Bryce coming back threw Chuck back to Alma Mater and Nemesis where he comes back into town, complicates life and takes his girl. Chuck, again, took the backseat and was going to let Sarah go away with Bryce without fighting for her. And the re-intersecting shook everything up and set both of them back tremendously. They both may try to regain the lives they had previously, or just think that by letting the each other be with other people it will make them happy.
But again I say, we do not know what role Shaw and Hannah will play. Some shippers are acting like they are the second coming of Jill and Bryce but we simply will not know until the episodes air, and frankly will probably not get the entire meaning of it all until the finale of season 3. I personally would love to see Chuck and Sarah fighting for each other if another person comes along. That would outstanding to watch.
in order for that to happen, the pre-existing conditions you just mentioned(or quoted from twitter) can’t apply, either theu want each other and fight for it, and the other people are just obstacles in Chuck and Sarah’s struggle to be together against Beckman(and by extension Casey),The Ring, and those other persons or that they want to be with other people cause they can’t be with each other( not good enough, or any other cheap writing trick up the sleeve the creative stuff is pulling), both options cant co-exist, I’d be willing (begrudgingly so) to accept them fighting for it through the
season if I’ll know that the pay back(for once) will be rewarding…the other scenario, just too much of a stretch to bear.
Alex
i love charah but i don’t think the show will survive without charah AND the other guys who makes chuck fun to watch. it’ll be a plain, dramatic tv show. BORING!
i luc charah, but i must admit i get sik of watching chuck get humiliated. Why is it always chuck. For the third season with sarah’s new love interest i hope chuck doesnt react the way he did the other times, it’s just to heart breaking watching chuck get crushed
i have just been reading the twilight saga and i must admit the most beatiful part of the books was the two protagonist love for each other. I loved that they constantly developed there relationship, and the was only 1 love triangle which only help progress the protaganist reltaionship. The pointt of my story is that for all tose pplz that say putting chuck and sarah as a definite couple may ruine the show,ill hv 2 disagree-it will however make that element of the sho a bit boring. The best solution wld be to show a strong progression of their relationship. I would love to watch the firs episode and then watch the last episode and see that CHuck and sarah’s relationship has really matured so much to the point were they can openly discuss their feelings for each other but also acknowledge the obstacles in the way.
Can’t w8 for season 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But hey if they get together right away, people will eventually get bored and stop watching. I’m so confused. Shows just how deep this show really is. So much drama. I would like to see them slowly progress, to see their relationship mature like a normal, every day couple. Though for now, I’m just going to enjoy the ride, no matter how bumpy it is.
i think sarah is important, there is definitely sufficient tension to keep things going.
I love Lou. I don’t understand how Chuck has successfully avoided running in to her again for an entire year and I think she should come back.
I still can’t see why u guys are so freaked out. Just because it says love interest doesn’t really need she’s the interested one. I’m pretty sure the Shaw guyis the one initiationg the quarrel, maybe she likes him, but not to a degree to start a relationship. Plus the guy is goiong to be around like 3 eps? Even if Sarah for some reason goes out with him, either is going to be a facade, or maybe Chuck did something that hurt her and she goes with Shaw before she will realize her error. I mean, why this guy should be any different from Bryce or Cole? And don’t answer “He’s Superman!!!” 😛
I’ve enjoyed reading all the different perspectives on Chuck and Sarah and where they are headed in Season 3. Regardless of how frustrating the wait and speculation are until March it does help to keep the interest going!
During Season 1 and most of season 2 Chuck and Sarah still remained teenagers in their emotional development. Sarah’s girlish response in receiving the bracelet from Chuck and Chuck’s jealousy of Cole showed that they both have some growing up to do. All this is perfectly understandable based on the info we have received about their turbulent teen years and having to grow up too soon without the benefit of parents.
I personally look forward to seeing how the two of them will mature during Season 3. Clearly the writers are going to throw some pretty heavy stuff at them that will require their continued growth as individuals and as a couple. If we can keep that in mind it should help us weather the storms that they will face. After all Peter Parker and Mary Jane have had their share of ups and downs so why should Chuck and Sarah be any different?
I liked both articles but would have to go mostly with the first one. However
the 2nd article’s point of ending the indecision, bring them together or keep
them apart was refreshing to hear.
On the whole I agree with Lisa, Rick Holy, Alex, and others who have expressed
similar points of view. No one wants to see them joined permanently as a couple until the end of the show but people are fed up with the teasing, too.
I would like to see it somewhere in the middle. They grow together overcoming
problems and we get to see portions of their earlier lives (specificly Sarah’s) as she struggles with her past and her own emotions as she relates to
Chuck and vice-versa. Like it or not their relationship is the driving part of
the show and the rest of the characters support that, fun as they are to watch.
What I am most concerned about, in the center of all of this controversy,
regardless of how it plays out, the show will lose its CHARM. I just hope that
doesn’t happen. That’s watch makes it worth watching, whatever changes are made.
In the end, does it really make any difference what any of us think or want?
It would be nice if the views of the people who post here and other sites
would be taken into account before final decisions are made but let’s face it-
they won’t. Nothing to do but wait and see until the episodes come out and
the viewers will make up their own minds.
It’s been great to read all of the opinions posted here, thanks.
You guys are crazy…The major thing that make Chuck Chuck as we know is because of Sarah. It is untouchable, Chuck have to be in love with Sarah for the rest of the show. It is not for nothing that we always read romance in Chucks’ plot. I can’t believe that theirs people who don’t like this part of the show.
And I certainly think like my buddy Robert H that Chuck will lose its <> if we don’t see Chuck and Sarah run on after the other!
Anyway great topic and it nice to see different opinion (even if i get mad ahhah)Thx all!
I believe that Chuck and Sarah staying together is a happy end for Chuck. But, that’s not what we want. Well, I don’t. I want to see Chuck growing up as a hero. Of course, Chuck’s feelings for Sarah are crucial for that. Alias, what makes Chuck a hero is not the intersect skills, but his emotions. He is able to take brave decisions in critical moments, although it seems irrational in most of the time. So, Chuck is not superman. Why in the h. would anybody expect a ‘smallvile’ or ‘Lois and Clark’ kind of relationship for Charah? It’s anything but that.
It’s a paradox that brings the kryptonite and the sun in a same entity: Chuck’s feelings for Sarah. It’s a nice scenario to create all sorts of conflicts and to develop great original stories. I don’t believe it’s the time for Charah be a perfect shining happy couple. But, more moments like in “Chuck vs The Colonel†would be great, except for the condom joke part, of course.
Their relationship can still have complications, road blocks and frustrations, but I totally agree that it makes little sense to write up more love interests for Chuck and Sarah. Bryce/Cole and Lou/Jill was enough.
It’s so obvious to everyone else, except Chuck, that Sarah loves Chuck. She never says it but we the fans and all the characters can see the looks on her face, the way she lights up around him. Ellie and Carina, for instance, as early as the first few episodes of Season One could see “that girl is definitely into you.” Chuck has finally admitted it. They have both been tested and tempted.
Larry1234 is on the money. Chuck admitted to Roan that Sarah “was worth dying for.” And then he jumped off a building to save her life. Has anyone forgotten the hideous shriek Sarah screamed after Michael Clarke Duncan dropped him off a rooftop? How she completely lost it when she thought “the heroic imbecile drove off with the bomb?” In the castle cell, Sarah cutely asks, “Two beds?”
Anyway, this show immediately reminded me of Get Smart. Just decades later and offering so much more. And think about it. Chuck is a lot like 99, trying to impress Sarah like Barbara Feldon attempted to get Don Adams to notice her and get him to feel for her romantically. Sarah like Max hides her feelings and buries her pain through work.
For those of you who forget or are simply too young, Max and 99 got married and had twins. Facing a sure death, Max told 99 that if they got out of this trap he would wed her. I think they were both strung up over something and the humor existed in the determination of 99 after hearing this and the shock and horror Max’ face revealed when she singlehandedly freed them and Max had to deliver on his promise.
A little like the kiss at the end of the Imported Hard Salami.
I had totally forgotten that about “Get Smart”! Excellent comparison. 🙂
thank you bethany
I like the relationship with Chuck & Sarah. I hope for the best but I like watching the show more for the action. Some things are good in moderation. I rather see more action and the relationship in moderation.
Of all the tools writers have to work with, one of the most frustrating and necessary is the obstacle. Every aspect of EVERY work of fiction has to have every character overcoming obstacles constantly or we’ll just get bored. And since Chuck and Sarah are the lead characters, they should have the widest potential obstacles to deal with.
“Chuck’s” writers really know how to use an obstacle.
It’s why I don’t get frustrated with the new love interests placed in Chuck and Sarah’s paths, as long as they serve their character development. I seem to remember way back in S1’s “Chuck vs. The Wookie” (actually my favorite ep name once I figured it out), Karina actually had a purpose — a person from Sarah’s actual past was telling Chuck that Sarah really wanted him. Lou provided one of the first instances where Chuck had to choose his cover over the girl, forcing him to better understand what his life was becoming. Jill, of course, taught and will continue to teach Chuck so many things — that people aren’t all good or evil all the time, and that as a spy, he’s going to have to learn to play in the grey areas without losing himself.
And look at Sarah with Cole and Bryce. Though I would have liked these interactions to be a bit more complex, these men thrown in Sarah’s way have been about getting Sarah to realize what she wants in someone she loves. And it’s Chuck, even if he’s not all the way there yet.
I’ll echo what I put in my earlier post — this is all about Chuck and Sarah achieving their personal destinies as well as their destiny together. “Chuck,” to me, is all about watching two incomplete people with great potential grow up (and if you think about it, Casey and Morgan have similar individual journeys, which makes them more interesting than “the buddy,” or “the muscle.”). What I love about this show is how these very talented writers use ALL the obstacles they put in front of their entire cast as a way to serve this point. It’s all about a group of people we care about growing up, changing, hopefully becoming the best version of themselves.
That’s why the action and danger on “Chuck” feels different than you see on other shows. It’s not played only for action or comedy, but also for character development. You see sacrifices and tough choices being made that have real consequences that stick with viewers because the characters are so well-drawn. I still wonder what will happen when Chuck actually has to electively kill someone. And look at the web of lies that Chuck, Sarah, Casey (and now Awesome) now have to tell to survive and protect those they care about. If the writers stay at the top of their game, these obstacles will grow more funny, risky, poignant and watchable in the future.
And I that’s why I think the romantic obstacles for Chuck and Sarah, if handled in similar fashion, will create an outcome that satisfies all of us in the end. It’s a bit frustrating, but a delicious frustration, if you ask me. As with any great TV couple (Mulder and Scully in the earlier great seasons of “The X-Files” come to mind), we need the obstacles to see why these people really should be together.
I wrestled with it, but decided I must say something regarding your latest post Lisa.
I feel that you give the writers here, way too much credit…for me the writing in CHUCK has subsided drastically from “Santa Claus” onwards(sans “Predator” and “Colonel”), the writers use the obstacles they put in Chuck and Sarah’s way mainly and mostly for creation of angst(because that’s the way their Boss{Schwartz}loves writing), and let me quote what my professor in English Literature always told me :”Angst is the cheapest, most worn-out tool in a writer’s utility belt” , and as a lot of other people pointed out the mere creation of the love triangles was to to elicit angst.
And regarding changing and growing through personal development, I suspect there isn’t enough time in the 13 episodes time-frame to maintain such a character growth,If it will grow to 22 (while they’re still shooting)there
can be a chance for the writers to accommodate for the character development, how I suspect that the writer’s can’t do it, or rather won’t
do it, because their bosses don’t really want them to, and their flawed version of romance is the one we’ll have to live with…or not.
Alex
Lisa – your last post was well – Awesome!