Chuck: Chuck versus the Balcony

“It’s time to come clean.”

A good TV show, just like a good public speech, a good book, a good poem, should create audience desire. We, as the audience, should be guided into knowing what to hope for—do we want the main character to be happy, or sad? Do we want the couple to stay a couple, or break up? Should the bad guy die, or be redeemed? A strong show creates these tensions for us by effectively creating characters we can actively love or hate, arcs that have pep, sub-plots that keep us interested.

(This is the great problem with the Lost finale, for many people: it manufactured the desire for “answers,” but the creators ultimately wanted us to desire character resolution.)

Does this mean that a good show will do exactly what I want it to? Absolutely not. To paraphrase Joss Whedon, a good show should give me what I need, not what I want. If Buffy had given me what I thought I wanted, it would have lasted 1.5 seasons and ended with a Bangel sex scene. Because it gave me what I needed, instead, it grew from a good show into a fabulous one. And as Joss masterfully shifted audience desire throughout the seasons, what I thought I’d wanted, at first, became something entirely different by the series end.

But Chuck has lost its sense of desire. Our Pinocchio has grown into a real boy with a real job and a real girlfriend. Along the way, he has revealed himself to be still funny, still befuddled, and insanely neurotic about his relationship. So neurotic, in fact, that it’s hard for me to sympathize, because Chuck—despite all his bluster about marriage—doesn’t seem to fully understand the give-and-take, mature, often-boring adult relationship. He still doesn’t seem fully comfortable as a boyfriend yet, let alone a husband.

Could be a character quirk, sure. But I don’t think it’s an intentional one. Chuck still has a fairy-tale vision of lifetime commitment that seems oddly related to a sense of having scored a fabulous girlfriend and very little to do with a life plan—is this a problem with Chuck the character, or with the way the relationship has been written? Would I feel differently if the show allowed us a few more glimpses into their non-spy life? If the show had allowed its format some deviation to develop the characters and their relationship to one another?

Because of outside pressures, Chuck, has been forced to negotiate character development with brand consistency, and the tension is starting to wear show. Chuck has new magical powers, but hasn’t changed much. Sarah continues to wiffle-waffle between commitment and the spy-life. They talk a big game about marriage, which is supposed to be (according to Vladimir Propp) the way all fairy tales end, but neither of them seems to actually be ready for it.

As for desire, Chuck doesn’t seem to want anything more than renewals. This isn’t the damning criticism that it could be: plenty of shows (Law and Order, for instance) desire nothing but the renewal of episodic satisfaction. Those just aren’t the shows that I particularly love to watch.

All of this is by way of introducing my main point: this episode of Chuck gave me everything I thought I wanted, and nothing that I needed. It was funny, peppy, lots of things happened, the clothes were pretty, Morgan was reasonably involved, Chuck finally got to propose, the spy mythos got more complex…

And I’m left feeling cold. So Chuck is just as neurotic about the proposal as he has been about every single other aspect of his relationship with Sarah? So there’s a new reason that Chuck and Sarah can’t be happy—only now it’s Sarah’s fault, but not really, because Chuck understands that she’s doing this for him, even though it was horribly ill-timed? It does all come back to Volkoff, sort of? Lester is still creepy? (Were we supposed to be rooting for him?) It was pleasant in the short term, but unsatisfying in the long view.

I’ve read quite a few reviews online this week, which I don’t usually do. But I was trying to figure out if it’s just me. Is it? My in-depth statistical analysis says no: it’s me and about half of the fandom. The other half really liked this episode, probably because it did have everything we want from a Chuck episode. For me they didn’t add up to a satisfying whole, but for others, it did.

I’m betting that many of you really liked this episode, because the chucktv.net community is one of the most enthusiastic and generally all-around-sweet fandoms I’ve experienced. I would love to hear alternate points of view, and I would especially love to be convinced that I’m wrong.

I would also like to ask, as a personal favor, that you don’t attack me personally. Frankly, I’ve had a really horrible week, and I don’t want my inbox (to which the comments get sent directly) to be as awful as everything else. Obviously, if you’re given to ad hominem attacks, this probably won’t deter you, especially if you enjoy kicking someone when they’re down. But I thought it worth a shot.

Bytes:

• Sarah: “Besides, I’ve got such a bad history of proposal.” That is now on my list of first-date must-says, along with “I’m not sure how many cats I have; they breed so quickly,” and “Alliance or Horde?”

• Lester: “It’s like they’re stuck in the old country. With their dated traditions and obsolete dietary restrictions. I keep telling them: ‘I live in the United States of America now. I’m not in Canada anymore.”
Big Mike: “You mean India, right?”
Lester: “What? No. I’m a Saskatchewan, a Hindu of Saskatchewan. Some believe that we were a cult. Of sorts.”

• Morgan: “Casey is your man servant. Let him man-serve you.”

• Morgan: “Tide to-go sticks. Left jacket pocket.”

And Pieces

• Lester singing was horribly uncomfortable. I couldn’t root for him to score the hot chick. I just couldn’t.
• Sarah’s blue dress was an interesting choice for a day at the office.
• I did enjoy Morgan’s pronunciation of the Lu-wah valley. It just rolls off the tongue, like a pinot with a stable on the label and a stork on the cork.

• Did anyone else expect Chuck to put the ring in his ear and the earbud in the box?

Where do you stand? How many Danny Kayes out of four?

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  1. No bashing from me. Honestly.. I felt the same way. The whole ‘mission’ of the episode seemed fairly bad anyway, and seemed to serve as more of a ‘setup for the twist’ than anything else. Yeah, there were bits and pieces (Chuck with his british accent while ordering Casey to man-serve, along with ‘drunk’ Sarah), but the mission itself was meh.

    The ball didn’t roll for me until the second half, and when Sarah surprised Morgan and demanded that he let her in on the plan. Still.. watching the episode, I didn’t feel like things were quite right and I would have bet that the proposal wouldn’t have gone through in this episode, or even the next, really. I’m guessing it’s apart of Episode 13 as that would have been the real ‘finale’.. so who knows. Still, do I think the episode was horrendous/worst of the series? Goodness no. There’s a couple S3 moments with Hewhoshallnotbenamed that hold that right, but it definitely wasn’t the “Chuck” episode that I’ve come to love.

    • “…do I think the episode was horrendous/worst of the series? Goodness no. There’s a couple S3 moments with Hewhoshallnotbenamed that hold that right…”
      Can I just ask, since when did JK Rowling start writing books about us, and Warner Bros. starting making movies depicting Jeffster in odd but interesting places?

      But I also have to agree with you Josie. I knew that we weren’t going to get a proposal this week, because unless they wanted Chuck to propose and Sarah to think two episodes about it, they wouldn’t do it. Plus, we’ve already had one of those moments in which Sarah says Yes to Chuck (S03E13).

      But I can’t wait to see Gobbler now. Just from the promo at the end of the episode it seems to be a climatic end to Volkoff Industries, being taken down by two of the three women in Chuck’s confusing life. And Morgan and Casey, of course.

      • Agree with Akiyama that it didn’t start to come together till Sarah took control. And then when Casey joined in to help make the proposal just happen already. its a shame that Chuck is struggling take control of himself, and seems lost for too manyh episodes to count this season.

        Its more of a shame that we’ve actually gotten to the point that we’re debating which “episode was horrendous/worst of the series?” Its a shame mostly because the number of bad episodes this season justify the discussion. Its starting to feel like the debate of “which was worse: Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones?” Answer: it doesn’t matter, they both kinda sucked!

        I do hope they can gather up all the pieces and put it back together again!

  2. Let me be the first to disagree with you but I do respect your opinion and review. But perhaps you should look at this as a ‘setup’ episode for the next two especially on how 4.10 ended. 4.10 to me ended ‘neatly’ so to speak. Anyway I’m sure we all can agree that we all look forward to the next two episode and the last 10 minutes of 4.13! 🙂

    • I have to agree with what you have said. 4.10 ended nicely with a good cliff hanger with chuck getting the intersect back ready for 4.11. I think this episode was an awesome one to come back on, and the ending really does give a great lead on to ep 4.12 and of course ep.4.13 and not forgetting the last 10 mins which I think is going to be the proposal. 4.08 was not a great episode but it was a two parter leading onto 4.09 and i think we can all agree that 4.09 was epic that made up for it…

    • ABSOLUTELY!!!! Can’t be all down about 4.11 – This is just the beginning…
      ‘The Balcony’~ was just to set all the pieces and players in motion once again. 4.10 was a nice neat way to leave us on a level playing field heading into a 7 week layoff. [ I’m so happy there was no big cliff-hanger]
      So now – Sarah is off to find Mary….
      When has Chuck ever been able to ‘stay in the car’ – so you know he’ll find a way to tag along, or, trouble has a way if finding him.
      Casey and Morgan – are fantastic together they add so much character support. My only quibble would be ‘whither shall become the Buy More’…
      Unfortunately they can’t even blow it up again… D’oh.
      I’m really looking forward to how all these issues will get resolved over the next couple weeks…. this is going to be AWESOME… [ just keep 4.10 in context]: )

  3. I find really interesting this theory about what we want and what we need in a show. But I’m afraid that by trying to analyse “what I need” in a show, I will automatically switch to “what I want”. I totally understand what you’re saying about this episode providing elements we love in Chuck (Casey lines, Morgan and Sarah duo, and so on), but I think that analysing all these pieces for your review make you too distant from the show. The magic in Chuck is only visible from far away (for me anyway).

    As for me, the episode starts very badly, as any episode of an american tv show taking place in France. Being French, it always makes me grind when I see the usual clichés. The bad guy was just horrible. But, at the end of the episode, I thought that I spent a great moment. I don’t want to analyse it, I will just remember the good bits. You do not have a funny task Josie.

  4. Hey Josie,

    Even though I disagree with your conclusion, I do understand what you’re saying. I enjoyed the episode, but only because I realize that it doesn’t stand alone. It is the beginning of a three episode arc that really can’t be truly judged until it is over.

    I think that for a lot of us, a major part of the appeal of the show is that we personally identify with Chuck. We like him. We root for him. And that has taken a few major hits lately. It started (for me, anyway) last season. Assuming that you can believe that he would leave her standing on that train platform in Prague, the worst was First Class. How could he have looked at Sarah pleading with him not to go on the solo mission, rub it in her face that he was going, and then come home with a new girlfriend? Hard to like and root for that guy.

    Even this season. Volkoff has a gun pointed at Sarah, apparently ready to kill her. What does Chuck do? The answer is – nothing. He lets mama save him. Okay, so he doesn’t have his kung-fu. So freaking what? Where’s the guy that jumped off a building to save her? Where’s the guy that stood by her in front of a bomb, willing to be blown up for no other reason then he couldn’t bear the thought of Sarah dying alone. I rooted for that guy.

    IMO, the biggest creative mistake the show made was giving Chuck superpowers. Because now, it’s too easy to write Chuck being the hero. It’s effortless. Have him flash and do whatever it takes. But doing things that are easy is not heroic. I enjoyed the old Chuck — the one who used his brains and heart to be the hero in situations where he had no business being in. Hopefully that guy returns in this arc. I think he may.

    So, I would advise everyone to hang in there. I think that what we’re seeing as neurotic, is really the expression of love. Chuck wanted the proposal to be perfect – for Sarah’s sake. Not because he thought there any doubt about her answer. Similarly, Sarah is off bringing down Volkoff, not because she thinks it’s her duty. But because she knows that she and Chuck can never have the life they want with him hanging over their heads.

    I think that if we wait until the arc is over, and judge it as a whole, we’ll be more than satisfied.

    I hope that help, lol.

    • Oh, Bill, Bill…

      You KNOW how much I hate agreeing with you.

      Hmmph. >:-| <-*stern expression*

      Great review, Josie. Next time, take a page out of Mel's book and claim the "flu". 😉

    • Hey Bill,

      I am really glad you brought up the fact that Chuck seems to have lost much of what seemed to make him a hero. I was practically fuming over the fact he did nothing when Volkoff threatened Sarah. This is the woman you claim to love at least stand in front of gun or something. I was really hoping he would threaten Volkoff with something menacing like oh I don’t know something like “You hurt her and I swear I will kill you with my own hands. For the rest of your days you will wonder when I will find you, but trust me I will.” Volkoff would then remark “I am impressed Charles. THAT is how you make a threat.” Then Mary saves the day like how it actually happened. At least that how I felt it should have went. But nope Chuck just stands there and lets his Mom save both of them. Continuing my rant I was annoyed that while Chuck didn’t have the intersect he was more useless then he has ever been. I thought it was great opportunity to show how much Chuck grown into hero even when he can’t use the intersect. But nope another chance wasted. I agree where is the hero we used to know and love?

      Blake

  5. Anything,even a show as outstanding as Chuck, is never above constructive critism. So don’t worry about your point of view. Since M.A.S.H., I can’t remember a show that could balance so many elements of seriousness, humor, fear, suspense, as does Chuck. It is a complete show. That being said, any of my critisisms always, in my mind at least, come back to the same basic problem. A Crunch on time. Season one took a whole year just to have Chuck get used to his team and to realise the intersect was going to stay for a while. Season two was 22 episodes for the fall of Fulcrum and the revelation of papa B. Time was allowed for characters and plot to develop at a nice, digestible pace. I think season 3, most people close to the show thought they had 13 eps to wrap it all up, and everything seemed very rushed, even the additional 6. If you have the 3 seasons on DVD, compare how much more plot we went through; The ring, Shaw, the new intersect powers (by the way, when is the last time Chuck did something other than kung fu?) the governor, papa coming back, Chuck and Sarah getting together, Morgan on the team, Devon in danger, Casey has a past and daughter, Morgan and Alex, and more! I almost feel that this years episodes may have been better placed back in season 5 and season 3 and 4 should have taken more time on all the storylines introduced in season 3, just the writers weren’t sure they’d get there. I think the flaws you point out are legit, but had the writers known they had 24 instead of 13, the lack of development you correctly point out could have been all but eliminated. Hope my point of view helps, Josie

  6. Honestly, Chuck on the whole hasn’t involved me emotionally that much since the beginning of the third season, with the exception of Chuck vs. the Beard (Morgan finally learning about his best friend’s spy life was awesome) and Casey’s getting to know his daughter. This episode was enjoyable because it was characters I like occasionally being funny (Chuck’s British accent, Sarah’s drunk scene, Morgan quarterbacking the proposal–which reminds me, when did Chuck and Morgan switch neuroses and personalities!?) or awesome (Casey jumping in to help Morgan with the sub-mission, and his “You don’t need the balcony, just the girl” speech to Chuck). I think it’s because the characters have been subjugated to the plot needs. It just doesn’t engage me as much that way. I still like Chuck, don’t get me wrong, and I will be happy if they can end this season on a high note, and if they get renewed for a fifth season I’ll be thankful and hope that they can do even better next year. But…yeah. I’ve read a couple of the reviews you mentioned, ones where the reviewer loved the episode, and thought, “Huh?” I think the only thing to love about this one, aside from the moments you mentioned, was the fantastic acting from the cast.

  7. Josie, Here’s an E-Hug, hang in there, we luv & respect you. I’ve given your points thoughtful consideration & believe I understand your position.

    The ep left me wanting more but Chuck eps always leave me wanting more, each for different reasons. I’m trying to see this as part of the story-arc that will be redeemed by 4.13.

    I’ve seen Chuck’s character flaws in more than one relationship and have experienced Sarah’s wiffle-waffle myself (& I have a more traditional childhood). I’m still seeing Chuck & Sarah as growing and maturing with each other, some relationships take more time to stabilize than others. I was brought to tears during the end balcony scene, Chuck’s feelings seemed un-rehearsed and heart-felt.

    I enjoyed watching the team effort to set up the balcony proposal but, in my heart-of-hearts, I’m yearning to see the charming Chuck we know he can be, arrange & execute the proposal.

    Hugs to all, pro & con.

  8. Honestly they just need to get past the whole proposal. Plenty of potential plots open after the two are engaged and honestly once the audience finally gets to see Chuck and Sarah together (for good) it will make the show more enjoyable rather than dealing with the constant roller-coaster ride that is their ability to commit to one another.

  9. I feel that S4 of Chuck lacks something, too. I loved pieces in this episode, not the whole thing. So far, I really loved only two episodes of this season and it´s bad because I am not usually critical at all.
    I liked the Casey/Chuck moment at the end – it was a loooong waiting for this to happen, because Casey is usually stuck babysitting Morgan. Casey is the oldest and the most experienced of them all. And he has feelings, even though he denies it. He should be the one helping Chuck and Sarah, not Morgan who doesn´t really have a good experience with long relationships.
    I feel like they wasted a lots of potential this year – if they spent lesser time dealing with childish problems (like why Sarah didn´t unpack yet? wtf?) that didn´t solve anything at all (because as Josie pointed out, Chuck is still uncomfortable, so is Sarah, they are not ready at all). They should have focused on the spy line more, on the storyline of mama B, with their relationship at the background and not making it a main plot. This is a spy show, not Melrose Place with a spy subplot. It used to be fun.
    Please, get rid of Jeff and Lester and make it fun to watch again.

  10. Sorry to hear that you’re down, Josie. This week’s ep had some “down” to it, but the show will bounce back. As shall you. I’ve noticed all along (there were eps in the celebrated seasons 1 and 2 that left me underwhelmed) that they manage the tension adroitly in general. There are set-up eps and pay-off eps. There are moments to endure shuffled in with the moments to celebrate. Like real life itself!

  11. Oh, wow. These are the most wonderful comments ever. Thank you–all of you–for your fabulous points of view and for the sympathy. My week is definitely turning around now!

    • http://bit.ly/f9KPoA
      Jose I had this big post all written out but than I found Jace review above that captured a lot of my thought except I think Sarah is leaving not because of duty but for personal reasons. She said end of Leftovers that the team Chuck Ellie were never so vulnerable and as long as Volkoff remains a threat her chance of happiness with Chuck is at risk.

      I enjoyed the episode yes the spy store was itself plain but I was prepared for this episode being the setup for events to follow in the next 2. This what the show as always done in past. What I enjoyed the most was the character interaction The talent of this cast I actually was feeling their emotion their joy and sadness. I agree with BillAtWork that was not as much neurotic on Chuck’s part but expression of love to his Sarah wanting to make this special Chuck (and Sarah) being nervous when the actually proposal might actually be happening reminded me how nervous I was when I proposed to my wife. Their conversation showed me how much they have learned about each other and what each needs from the other.

      But I sorta understand your concerns There are other reviews that vice similar concerns And all I can suggest is that the show strives to give us the story they want to tell. And they tell it at a pace much faster than other shows because they have never had the luxury knowing that they will be another back order or season They want to be prepared to have something presented they hope will leave us satisfied. And yes it does not allow enough time for some stories to be better explored I can’t fault them for trying to provide us something that could be seen as a satisfactory conclusion.

      No other show I watch has me this emotionally attached. So far this season I am mostly satisfied. Has everything been perfect no. The buy more is becoming more distraction though not so much this episode. Chuck spy growth has not been as advanced I think because more the theme of family this season and as such doesn’t look like he developing as well as Morgan Sarah Casey

  12. I just spent 18 min writing a comment and when I finally finished something went wrong and my comment was gone. So now I will keep it short and straight to the point. I find something interesting to read on your blog every time I visit it. Respect!

  13. I agree totally. I saw the episode twice once on Monday night and again on nbc.com. I liked the episode but I agree that it left something wanting. I know that I have received negative remarks for saying this (like I care), but Chuck will never grow as a character or as a show until you get rid of Morgan. It is getting to the point where he is becoming the George Constanza of Chuck. Totally inane and unnecessary. Managing the sub-mission was completely useless. And when he tells Sarah, that she can marry Chuck, it was stupid. That part made me think that Morgan’s obsession with the Bartowskis is pathetic, he needs to get a life. Its over the top and it is bogging the show down. Kill Morgan and Chuck has to grow up.

  14. I loved this episode. Really did. Personally, I could care less about the Buy More. They annoy me and I shudder each and every time. I was excited to see General Beckman in person. I thought that this season would have more of her. Too bad. I’ve really really enjoyed seeing Sarah grow and demonstrate that she loves Chuck. I’d love to see more of them in their private moments, though in such packed episodes as Chuck’s it’s understandable. I want to see what’s coming next and I want to see CHUCK. The sweet, loveable, well-intentioned Chuck. His proposal attempt was Chuck, through and through, in my opinion. In a sense, I miss season 1 Chuck. But, in a way, keeping a character the same year after year isn’t realistic, especially with story lines involving life and death situations.
    All in all, Good but I really good do with less BuyMore and more Casey, Chuck, Ellie, and Awesome. They’re all more integral to the plot anyways.

  15. I can certainly see some of the issues you and other people have with the episode for example the whole idea of Chuck needing Morgans help with propsoing to Sarah is annoying I mean why not ask Ellie after all she is a Girl, she would be delighted to help him, I know he is his best friend but Morgan has not done well with relationships as he could not handle being in one with Anna and we have not seen any of the relationship with Alex. It annoys me that Morgans growth has been at the expense of Chucks both at a professional levell, Bills example of him not doing anything when Volkoff had a gun pointed at Sarah (although she did not do anything when that same gun was pointing at Chuck in the Buy More) but in his personal life aswell I wish we had git rid of some of the buy more scenes this year and had some showing Chuck and Sarah doing normal stuff, watching TV, going out, on there own or with Elle/Devon or Morgan/Alex anything really as we only see them in Mission mode.
    That said I really liked the episode I loved Chuck getting nervous when about to propose in the restauraunt as although he knows the answer you still have to ask and he wants to do it in a beautiful way for Sarah, and Zac played it beautifully. The spy mission was so basic it was easy, although I loved both of Zacs Fights but i enjoyed the Jon Jon part and Sarah pretending to be flirty drunk was just amazing and so funny. Then of course we have the second interrupted proposal and that is slightly annoying aswell in that I thought he and Casey were friends so why would he not tell Casey and get his help we know that despite his grunting Casey is a shipper, i will forgive this as Casey does help in the end and we get two great scenes at the end of the episode. I thought Sarah taking control of Morgan was brilliant as there was no way she would have been able to if it was Ellie helping Chuck but on the other hand she probably would not have needed to. But I reaaly loved her saying that she wants the proposal to happen properly for Chuck but also for herself too
    Of course then we have the return to France and another slight complaint with the episode, Sarah asked Morgan to let her know of any problems with Chuck but he did not when tell her when Chuck was attacked, and after his attack why did Chuck wonder if Sarah was allright I mean the bad guy talked about them not taking his money but who had the money? Sarah, all it would have taken was Chuck talking into his watch either to her or Morgan but no. Again I will forginve it as I loved the penultimate proposal Scene so much Chuck said everything perfectly and it was so amazing you just knew it was going to get interrupted. Lastly I have to give massive props To Yvonne, her make up person and Zac for the last scene in the cell Sarah looks so sad and upset that she is leaving and Zacs worry about losing her like his mother is etched accross his face. I choke up just thinking about it.
    Lastly if I may say that I love Joss Wheddon, Buffy, Angel and Firefly his idea of giving people what they need instead of what they want has not been particularly succesful. I mean Firefly was cancelled after 13 episodes Dollhouse scraped 26 and Even Buffy went from an average audience of 5.2 Million in season 2 (one episode Surprise getting 8.2Million) to 4.4 in season 5 before switching networks and going down to a 3.6 for S7.

  16. I respectfully disagree.
    I’m in love with this show and even the weakest episodes and cheesiest lines are erased
    When I see chuck and Sarah together ( or just Zac’s smile can do it.)
    I literally fell to my knees when I saw Chuck holding a ring – of course not expecting a ring at all
    until later episodes. Then I almost passed out holding my breath the last 15 minutes… Waiting
    I thought Zac’s Chuck was focused and confident to make the proposal happen. Albeit a pretty poor decision during a critical highly sensitive mission but that’s TV land for ya’.

    I am happily “shipping” thru this whole season and cannot
    Wait for a conclusion by 4-13. I am thrilled with anything this show puts out for
    their fans, respectfully honoring what fans have been waiting for.

  17. http://bit.ly/f9KPoA

    The above review by Jace says a lot about my impression of this episode. Except I don’t think Sarah leaving for duty but more for personal reasons. Volkoff it a threat to her happiness with Chuck and family and needs to be dealt with but not because she was ordered to do so.

    I agree with BillAtWork that that it’s not as much Chuck being neurotic but his expression of love and some frustration. I enjoyed this episode because of the character interaction I actually was feeling their joy and sadness No other show I watch has me this emotionally involved So far this season I been over all pleases but I can see what you are saying. All I can suugust is that the fast pace of the stories and show desire to give us a satisfactory conclusion in case this season is their last does not allow certain story lines to be properly explored. I enjoy your reviews and respect your honesty

  18. I think you make a very valid argument, and your analysis on what reels people into shows really put my mind in gear on the subject. However, as you asked for alternate points of view, I feel there is a major one missing there: in real life people do not often develop, grow up, mature, whichever way you call it.

    I would bet you can quickly name people you know in person who you could characterize the same way as Chuck (or Sarah): maturing slowly or not at all over the years in certain areas that you consider to describe an adult. Perhaps when looking at the adult population you could put individuals on a Gaussian curve based on how they mature – become “adults”. Maybe the average person indeed becomes nicely less neurotic, understands give-and-take, becomes comfortable as a husband/wife etc. as you defined. However, it would be quite possible to find certain 25-year olds at the same or higher “maturity level” as certain 50-year olds. The slow developers may not have the mental capacity to mature in this sense, they can’t do it because something in their history blocks such changes, they would need a catalyst to get moving but it is not there, or they have just plainly chosen not to change. And these same non-mature individuals enter and live in relationships. And they fail or succeed. You never know. We want people to grow up, we literally use the phrase ”grow up”, but many just don’t – and thus many are in the same situation as Chuck and Sarah are now.

    I agree with you that Chuck and Sarah have developed extremely slowly in their approach and thinking about a relationship. But for me that is the beauty of it, that is what makes it real. They are superhuman in obvious areas and being rookies in their relationship balances it out. If they had matured quickly to form a perfect marriage as well, it would take out the tension – they would be these superspies who can handle any mission and as a couple be ideal as well with no fights or conflicts of any kind. Now they are flawed, and likely to be so for a very long time if not forever, and I can relate to that. Also, being super in one and beginner (and slow learner) in the other creates marvelous opportunities to advance the series, make twists and turns, you name it.

    I so much desire them to have the love and each other for good, regardless of the obvious challenges – to have their fairy tale. But, I absolutely have to keep on watching season after season as I also see the dangers to their relationship due to themselves and their baggage from the past (both having had a childhood parents that didn’t exactly set a perfect example of a mature relationship). I love them and I fear for them. For me the desire is there.

  19. Personally, I’m jazzed they use Slow Club as background music every time a “marital event” is taking shape. Great choice of music indeed.

    Just as Carina seems to be forshadowing an important future event in Chuck’s life, so does Slow Club!!!

  20. Poor Chuck. He just can’t win, can he? Every time he tries to propose, something always has to happen. I bet when it happens, it will be TV history in the making.

  21. I enjoyed the episode but was a little disappointed when the engagement did not come off. The Sarah /Morgan cooperation was especially good. Lester activities just seemed to get in the way of the primary storyline. When Sarah was arrested I kept wondering what would have happened if Sarah and Chuck resisted? The good General should have kept Sarah fully informed. I look on this episode as primarily a set up for episodes 12 and 13. I am very curious to see when and how Casey and Sarah work out the fake murder scene. Of course if Sarah does not sell herself as a traitor everyone, including Casey would be killed. I wonder if the set up was initiated by Chuck’s mother making the suggestion to our primary villain.

    I am anxious to see if the Bartowski bably is going to be a good thing or a bad thing for future Chuck storylines.

  22. I definitely agree that a show that gives you exactly what you want, isn’t always what’s best. For me, while the writers think they’re helping themselves by making everything perfect is actually hurting them, in a way, because now what’s the point in watching? This of course is an exaggeration, i’m not saying there is absolutely no conflict or that I’m ever going to stop watching the show. I love the show and I find no major faults with this episode, but I definitely agree that lack of conflict within the characters is, frankly, boring me. This is probably just because its hard to match the intensity of season 2 and 3, but I guess I’ve gotten used to it. So, if this is all the show has been leading towards, the question is, what happens next?

  23. I think you are very accurate in your summation. I personally rank this one pretty far down the list. I really liked the submission part of the show all the way through, but the Lester stuff was just bad and I have real issues with some of the Sarah actions as it relates to her abandoning chuck. A couple of questions for the group.
    1. What happened to No Lies, No Secrets (Must be only for chuck)
    2. Sarah must really be dense: 1. Mom leaves Chuck, 2. Dad leaves Chuck, 3. Jill leaves Chuck, 4. Sarah leaves chuck for suicide mission. This is the kind of thing that could drive a guy to Johnny Walker and a bridge. Do you think she even thought about how her leaving would effect chuck? The lack of reaction is just indicative of the issues brought out in this review

  24. Forgot to add one thing about Sarah’s arrest: Chuck gets the bunker and Sarah saves him, Casey gets locked up and Chuck/Sarah break into a max security facility to rescue him, Sarah gets locked up and chuck/casey having a laid back talk. I know we see a lot of plot holes with chuck, but this one had a bunch

  25. I have to disagree with you. If this show had given us what we want, Chuck and Sarah would probably have been together at the beginning of S2. At the very least the proposal would have happened and we would be planning the wedding by now.

    I don’t tend to overanalyze this show, all I can say is that by the end of this episode I was thoroughly entertained and had a smile on my face.

    I also think this episode has nicely set up for the next two episodes.
    I personally hope that JS and CF keep doing what they are doing, because I am loving S4. Is it because it is giving me what I want – I don’t think so. Because what I see from the showrunners is usually much better than what I want.

  26. I agree with Gord above. I’ve been hooked on Chuck since the pilot, and I don’t start watching an episode with preconceived notions of where I want the story to go. I have no problem conceding that the showrunners are much more competent at plotting Chuck than I would be!

    This episode was a great deal of fun, and is everything Chuck has been since the beginning. Overall, season 4 (which I think is an exceptionally strong season) has taken the character development from season 3, and merged it with the most fun aspects of seasons 1 and 2. The places I tend to visit online were all very positive regarding this episode. I’m sure there are dark places on the internet where supposed “fans” congregate to bash the show. I’ll never understand that behavior, but I guess the answer is not to visit those dark places. If this episode really left you cold, maybe it’s just a viral infection :).

    Still, enjoy reading the reviews, thanks for the effort.

  27. Josie, You have explained so well how these shows should work!! And it helped me so understand why I felt the same way you did after this episode!! It had everything we wanted, but yet it was lacking. I just want Chuck to go ahead and grow up and be “in charge”! I hope that’s what we see in ep 13. I’m not ready to give up on the show though. I think the biggest problem has been the new writers that haven’t been with Chuck since the first episode. It has hurt the show. I still like the chemistry between the characters. I would like to see one more season. I’m just going to hope the back 11 will be great–holding my breath!!

  28. You said you wish they would show more of the relationship. I wonder if they shouldn’t show less.

    It’s hard to explain, but the relationship, as it was portrayed in S1 & S2, which was bubbling underneath the main story, occasionally poking it’s head out, seemed more satisfying. Having the relationship upfront, as we have it now, is (I want to say) somewhat tiresome, but more importantly it robs us of story. The spy story in somewaht tenuous, Chuck only flashes on kung fu, etc.

    Balcony was all icing with very little cake. In other words all the scenes were outstanding the episode didn’t amount to anything.

    I see a lot of people saying 4.11 will depend on what happens next. Why can’t 4.11 be good by itself?